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A rote prayer is not a prayer. Neither is praying to be heard of men a prayer.
A prayer that is not meekly subjected to God's will is not prayer. A prayer filled with
vain repetitions mixing up rote and to be heard of men prayers is not praying.

I attended a birthday dinner yesterday and the one member of that family who got
married in the temple and is active blessed the food. It was embarrassing and such a prayed did not lift
and inch off the table towards heaven.

Is this fact that Mormons cannot pray proof of abject hypocrisy?

Key to my own epic tale of true conversion was that I broke the Mormon Mold of prayer to begin with.
I had not gone to Church or said nightly prayers for over two years and was praying alone and was in
a pickle where I really did need some help from God. I remember how awkward it was to adjust my LDS
prayer mode and break through in faith and subjection to the fear of the Lord sending up a petition that I
I truly wanted God to hear.

Prayer is the connection with God that is the reality of faith and builds the foundation for gospel accomplishment wherein we
truly come to know the Lord. If phony prayers are all a body practices little
wonder that they can stop believing and move on.

Anyone care to contribute a refutation and show me some LDS who really pray and what manner of faith such have?
I could use a glimmer of new found hope these days. What stops the mouth of true prayer is it requirement of meekness
a contrite even repentant demeanor. Such a practice would unsettle hypocrisy of the self and of the congregation. You got
to choose between pride and real prayer.

Probably all the Christian world pray bogus prayers. I can only speak to Mormon prayers as it all I really know. No reason not to
include all prayers in the discussion.

There are advance degrees of phony praying. Do you know what I mean? Like prayers of GAs would I guess be at the top tier of BS praying, Mission Presidents rah rah prayers, Stake Presidents' love ya, but prayers, Church education itching ear prayers, apologist......?....um,....huh...? what ev, and the really bad Sunday School and Sacrament meeting prayers. Priesthood blessings might actually hit the ceiling. I would have to suppose that these are the best attempts to get a prayer off the floor. But, I just don't know if its not just picking another pocket on the jacket of full on hypocrisy.

I thought this thread was "why can't Mormons pay?" and I couldn't think of a single reason why the Church wouldn't let Mormons pay...

People can use this topic to talk about themselves and about other people. What does it lack? No comfy distance. Augh! Stupid.

Nightlion wrote:A rote prayer is not a prayer. Neither is praying to be heard of men a prayer.
A prayer that is not meekly subjected to God's will is not prayer. A prayer filled with
vain repetitions mixing up rote and to be heard of men prayers is not praying.

The four living creatures, each of them with six wings, were covered with eyes inside and out. Day and night they do not stop exclaiming:
“Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God almighty,
who was, and who is, and who is to come.”

Very repetitious, no?

Don't you ever pray the Lord's Prayer. I mean sincerely, as a prayer?

Prayer is the connection with God that is the reality of faith and builds the foundation for gospel accomplishment wherein we
truly come to know the Lord.

I agree with you there. Except I don't know what you mean by "builds the foundation for gospel accomplishment".

If phony prayers are all a body practices little
wonder that they can stop believing and move on.

Perhaps, but perhaps not. God hears every prayer, even the awkward and unbelieving ones.

Probably all the Christian world pray bogus prayers. I can only speak to Mormon prayers as it all I really know. No reason not to
include all prayers in the discussion.

If you mean by "bogus prayer", praying to show off, or because it is required, I'm sure that this is to be found in all religions.

There are advance degrees of phony praying. Do you know what I mean? Like prayers of GAs would I guess be at the top tier of BS praying, Mission Presidents rah rah prayers, Stake Presidents' love ya, but prayers, Church education itching ear prayers, apologist......?....um,....huh...? what ev, and the really bad Sunday School and Sacrament meeting prayers. Priesthood blessings might actually hit the ceiling. I would have to suppose that these are the best attempts to get a prayer off the floor. But, I just don't know if its not just picking another pocket on the jacket of full on hypocrisy.

Who can say what a person's intent is?

My all time favorite Mormon prayers are the ones that are meant to not-so-sublety tell someone what to do by asking God to "help" a person realize that they are supposed to do (or not do) X, while the person that is supposed to do (or not do) X is standing right there. I don't know if that is hypocrisy, more like amusing passive-aggressiveness.

madeleine wrote:My all time favorite Mormon prayers are the ones that are meant to not-so-sublety tell someone what to do by asking God to "help" a person realize that they are supposed to do (or not do) X, while the person that is supposed to do (or not do) X is standing right there. I don't know if that is hypocrisy, more like amusing passive-aggressiveness.

Yeah, I missed that one didn't I? That is a classic LDS prayer.

I think the four beast are praising and that is more like a song which gets a pass for repetition. I love to sing like that. And loudly. Mostly while driving and I am alone.

Sigh, all the world needs to know what gospel accomplishment is. Only the Lord can draw you to that. And that is when prayer is 24/7 in your heart taking no thought for your life as you seek the kingdom of God and his righteousness, precisely as Jesus commanded us to do. There is an act of completion after all you can do. It is the promise of the Father the baptism of fire and of the Holy Ghost, making up the children of Christ and all saints.

Songs of praise are beautiful prayers.

I didn't say anything about experience, I was asking for definition.

madeleine wrote:Songs of praise are beautiful prayers.

I didn't say anything about experience, I was asking for definition.

Gospel accomplishment comes from unceasing prayers that are set upon the hope of Christ's mercy.

Acts 1:14
14 These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren.

Before this verse Jesus is telling them to expect the promise of the Father which is the baptism of fire and of the Holy Ghost. And afterward the Day of Pentecost came and many accomplished the gospel by power with Christ in God.

This fact of Christianity is NOT taught in any organized religion upon the planet. Even though it stares them all in the face through the Bible and even more good in the Book of Mormon.

Nightlion wrote:

madeleine wrote:Songs of praise are beautiful prayers.

I didn't say anything about experience, I was asking for definition.

Gospel accomplishment comes from unceasing prayers that are set upon the hope of Christ's mercy.

Acts 1:14
14 These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren.

Before this verse Jesus is telling them to expect the promise of the Father which is the baptism of fire and of the Holy Ghost. And afterward the Day of Pentecost came and many accomplished the gospel by power with Christ in God.

This fact of Christianity is NOT taught in any organized religion upon the planet. Even though it stares them all in the face through the Bible and even more good in the Book of Mormon.

Of course the Ascension is taught, as is Pentecost, and the gathering of the disciples after the Ascension.

Both the Ascension and Pentecost are major holy days on the liturgical calendars of Christian religions.

To be fair Nightlion, Mormon's are the only people who know the true order of prayer...

madeleine wrote:

Nightlion wrote:
Gospel accomplishment comes from unceasing prayers that are set upon the hope of Christ's mercy.

Acts 1:14
14 These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren.

Before this verse Jesus is telling them to expect the promise of the Father which is the baptism of fire and of the Holy Ghost. And afterward the Day of Pentecost came and many accomplished the gospel by power with Christ in God.

This fact of Christianity is NOT taught in any organized religion upon the planet. Even though it stares them all in the face through the Bible and even more good in the Book of Mormon.

Of course the Ascension is taught, as is Pentecost, and the gathering of the disciples after the Ascension.

Both the Ascension and Pentecost are major holy days on the liturgical calendars of Christian religions.

Celebrating a holiday in honor of an event is not the same as teaching the gospel with accomplished competence such that people know precisely how it is done and only their faith alone can hinder them.

No church today teaches the gospel of Jesus Christ such that its members are regularly visited of the Promise of the Father whereby the name of Jesus Christ is put upon them by the power of the Holy Ghost in the actual baptism of fire and of the Holy Ghost whereby they all come to know God by being made partakers of his power and are fitted to a higher state of existence with a renewed heart, might, mind and strength capable of enduring to the end having forsaken the world to cleave unto Christ 24/7 being taught of God daily and doing the will of the Father in his kingdom here upon the earth, even Zion.

Love for you to point one out that does.