No Charge too Trivial

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No Charge too Trivial

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Well, the hilarity continues on Sic et Non, this time on the fourth of July, on which Dr. Peterson was so concerned about the false charges of his critics, me among them, as you will see, that he completely forgot it was Independence Day and had to offer his mea culpas in his fifth of July entry.

Daniel Peterson wrote:Just Google for Updates on My Latest Sins
July 4, 2012 By danpeterson 1 Comment

If I were guilty of even a tenth of the crimes, misdemeanors, idiocies, cruelties, and hypocrisies of which my online critics accuse me daily, I would, indeed, deserve the public loathing and contempt that a number of them eagerly heap on me.

A friend alerts me to two of my latest misdeeds:

(1)

While my wife and I were visiting a different friend down in Cedar City a few weeks before we left for Israel — I blogged about the visit, which was timed to catch an annular solar eclipse that was exceptionally clear just south of Cedar City; you can find it among my posts from (I think) May — he invited me, after the general opening of priesthood meeting, to sit out in the foyer of his ward building during the third hour of the meeting block in order to discuss various issues. I skip priesthood meeting like that about once every eight to ten years, and, as a former high councilor and bishop’s counselor and bishop, I’ve attended plenty of meetings generally, so I didn’t feel too terribly bad about doing so.

Anyway, somebody apparently spotted us and reported to a vocal online critic that I had skipped priesthood meeting. He breathlessly brought this to the attention of an apostate message board, which evidently led to a thread full of clucking (by people who, on the whole, probably haven’t attended any Mormon meeting of any kind for years) about — big surprise! — my arrogance, how I consider myself too good for ordinary members of the Church and too sophisticated for ordinary teachers, and etc., and etc.

It’s one of the usual themes. But I have to admit that the thought that I couldn’t even attend church in Cedar City without having my activities monitored, reported upon, and then publicly condemned by anonymous critics still strikes me as astonishing and utterly absurd, even after many years of such nonsense. I seriously wonder if these people have lives.

(2)

I said, somewhere, that, under the circumstances — I’m traveling, which means that I’m very busy, and that my access to the Internet is often sparse and difficult and expensive — I would probably be unable to participate in sustained conversations about the recent coup at the Maxwell Institute. To which one of my critics has apparently responded that I’m plainly being disingenuous, because I’ve had time for daily blogs.

This particular critic, an alienated member of the Church who is, however, still on its books, posts constantly, throughout every day, day after day after day, on a predominantly atheist/agnostic ex-Mormon message board that is primarily focused on attacking “apologists” for Mormonism. With some of my colleagues, I’m a particular target of his and of his friends. One might imagine, given my apparent recent defeat, that his appetite for personal criticisms of me might have been sated for at least a few days, but this appears not be the case.

Anyway, here’s the deal: My single daily blog entry while traveling on this current trip represents pretty much the sum total of my Internet activity since I left the country — along with individual responses to literally hundreds of kind and supportive personal emails regarding my recent ouster. I haven’t been reading his message board, nor following any other message boards or blogs.

I had committed to blogging every day, at least once, even before I transferred “Sic et Non” over to Patheos. Having transferred it, that commitment seemed even more important; I don’t want the blog to die at its new home.

With perhaps one or two exceptions since I left on 8 June, I’ve managed to fulfill that commitment. But it’s been a strain on my time and my energy.

My inability to spend a lot of time on the Internet has been a mercy, though, I think. I hadn’t foreseen recent actions by the director of the Maxwell Institute, but I can well imagine myself spending hours a day reading viciously insulting posts of triumphant crowing about my sudden removal by email as editor of the Mormon Studies Review. However, as things stand, I’ve spent almost no time at all reading such posts, for the simple reason that, however tempting it might have been, I haven’t had the time or the opportunity.

And, as of this coming Sunday, I’m going to be lecturing on a cruise around the United Kingdom. (That’s why I’ve been over here, killing time, as it were, between leading a tour in Israel and taking up my duties aboard the ship.) If anything, I anticipate that my time for the Internet is going to be even more limited and difficult on the boat.

So, with that in mind, I’m hoping that this will be the first of two blog posts today. And maybe — my access here is free and unlimited, which it won’t be on the ship — even more, if the mood hits me and I get a chance. But right now the rain has let up, and I’m headed out the door. (Yet another crime against humanity, I suppose.)

Bowness-on-Windermere, Cumbria, England


Sometimes I wonder how much less interesting he would feel his life would be without the attention of his "many critics." One would almost think that he went looking for this kind of attention.
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One of the many entertaining aspects of this is the special insight into the theological motivation for these activities. Much like the Medieval penitents who gloried in self-inflicted pain, it seems that the worth of apologists can be measured in the personal attention they receive from critics and "apostates."

This fellow named "Nate" offers the following encouragement:

Wait, you can’t even attend Sunday meetings without your actions being reported by someone to enemies of the Church?

You must be a bona fide “disturber and an annoyer of [the adversary's] kingdom” (Joseph Smith–History 1:20).

Keep up the good work!


So there you have it, folks. We are all in the "adversary's" kingdom for commenting on Daniel's very public activities.

Who knew?

Oh, and it must not be "the" Adversary, because we get a lower case a "adversary." Supposedly he is a minion of the capo di tutti capi of hell. Doctor Scratch perhaps?
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Kishkumen wrote:Well, the hilarity continues on Sic et Non, this time on the fourth of July, on which Dr. Peterson was so concerned about the false charges of his critics, me among them, as you will see, that he completely forgot it was Independence Day and had to offer his mea culpas in his fifth of July entry.

Daniel Peterson wrote:...
I had committed to blogging every day, ...
....


Why bother? I suspect that if he stopped, there would not be an inundation of emails begging for more. Perhaps DCP might give it a try and see what happens?

I do find it hard to regret the prospect of hearing less both from and about DCP in future. Schryver is much more amusing at the moment.
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Daniel Peterson wrote:I said, somewhere, that, under the circumstances — I’m traveling, which means that I’m very busy, and that my access to the Internet is often sparse and difficult and expensive — I would probably be unable to participate in sustained conversations about the recent coup at the Maxwell Institute. To which one of my critics has apparently responded that I’m plainly being disingenuous, because I’ve had time for daily blogs.

This particular critic, an alienated member of the Church who is, however, still on its books, posts constantly, throughout every day, day after day after day, on a predominantly atheist/agnostic ex-Mormon message board that is primarily focused on attacking “apologists” for Mormonism. With some of my colleagues, I’m a particular target of his and of his friends. One might imagine, given my apparent recent defeat, that his appetite for personal criticisms of me might have been sated for at least a few days, but this appears not be the case.

Anyway, here’s the deal: My single daily blog entry while traveling on this current trip represents pretty much the sum total of my Internet activity since I left the country — along with individual responses to literally hundreds of kind and supportive personal emails regarding my recent ouster. I haven’t been reading his message board, nor following any other message boards or blogs.

Can this man be a little bit consistent? Or maybe even just tell the truth? In this last paragraph he claims he hasn't been reading any message boards or blogs, but in the paragraph right before the last one, he claims it appears his online critic has not been satiated by DCP's defeat at NAMIRS. It's obvious DCP's been reading the message boards, but he simply chooses to respond on his Patheos blog rather than re-register here and respond here.
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Now you can accuse us all of being weird. Sure. We're weird. But isn't this whole thing weird?

I mean, who has "friends" reporting to them every stray comment someone makes about them on the internet? Especially comments as silly as these. If I heard such minor charges as "didn't go to priesthood meeting one day," or, "has plenty of time to blog but does not bloviate on MI changes," I would probably just shrug my shoulders and say, "yep, that sounds about right!"

But we get a much more delightful banquet of excuses, self-defenses, and insults from Prof. P. He is, in short, the gift that keeps on giving. Because, you just know that if you happen to comment on him in passing, you will excite his army of online minions into action, and they will report on you to Prof. P., who will thunder from Olympus in high dudgeon.

It is quite amazing.
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sock puppet wrote:Can this man be a little bit consistent? Or maybe even just tell the truth? In this last paragraph he claims he hasn't been reading any message boards or blogs, but in the paragraph right before the last one, he claims it appears his online critic has not been satiated by DCP's defeat at NAMIRS. It's obvious DCP's been reading the message boards, but he simply chooses to respond on his Patheos blog rather than re-register here and respond here.


I think it is more the case that he has friends like the ever vigilant Bryce Haymond, his partner-in-crime Will Schryver, or the increasingly incoherent but ever cantankerous Ray Agostini to bring him regular reports of what the demons have been doing in his absence. Every small demiurge must have his aeons.
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Wow. That is one serious persecution complex going on there. He doesn't seem to get that when you put yourself out in public, you will inevitably attract detractors, and the best way to deal with it is to just ignore them. Hell, my dad taught me that was the way to deal with kids who picked on me at school. If you ignore them, they don't have any power over you. I guess Bro. Peterson never got the memo.
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What is he thinking? By composing such an overblown defense of trivial charges, he makes himself look even more defensive and trivial. If someone posts about you skipping priesthood meeting, the best thing is to ignore it, as it's such a stupid criticism; maybe if I was really pissed about it, I would say, "I skipped priesthood. BFD."

Then to top it all off he writes a long-winded defense of how a daily blog post is so much less time-consuming than answering his critics, while he answers his critics.

Makes you wonder what he would say if someone laid a real charge on him.
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Bob Loblaw wrote:What is he thinking? By composing such an overblown defense of trivial charges, he makes himself look even more defensive and trivial. If someone posts about you skipping priesthood meeting, the best thing is to ignore it, as it's such a stupid criticism; maybe if I was really pissed about it, I would say, "I skipped priesthood. BFD."

Then to top it all off he writes a long-winded defense of how a daily blog post is so much less time-consuming than answering his critics, while he answers his critics.

Makes you wonder what he would say if someone laid a real charge on him.


You nailed it there, Bob. It is the kind of thing one just assumes would not happen until one actually sees it unfold. Your response is the healthy one: someone says some stupid crap about me on the internetz, and I shrug. Dr. Peterson has informants feeding him this silly garbage, and then he responds by expatiating on the character faults of the people who made them. It is a stunning example of the kind of pathological behavior that caused the collapse of FARMS in the first place.
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This blog post is yet another piece of evidence that BYU/the church did the right thing. In this age where public relations is king, a large organization like BYU or the church, can't have its public facing managers be such PR idiots. If you're the smartest guy at Microsoft but have terrible people skills, your title will not be C-level or Director, it will be something like Senior Developer or Analyst. DCP might be very smart and might have the ability to produce quality scholarly works, but he needs to be managed by somebody or he's train wreck. Writing long blog posts responding to stuff like a report he skipped priesthood meeting is just embarrassing.

In a way, it's sad. But hard to have compassion for a guy that's treated others so poorly over the years.
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