Why do you all think religions are responsible for humanity?

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Why do you all think religions are responsible for humanity?

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I'm hearing a lot of complaints about the fraction of LDS wealth going to the poor (<1%). Why do so many people think that religious organizations are responsible for taking care of the poor? The purpose of religion is to bring people to Christ and build the kingdom of God on the earth.

Brigham Young summarized it well:

We are here to live, to spread intelligence and knowledge among the people. I am here to school my brethren, to teach my family the way of life, to propagate my species, and to live, if in my power, until sin, iniquity, corruption, hell, and the Devil, and all classes and grades of abominations are driven from the earth. That is my religion and the object of my existence. We are not here merely to prepare to die, and then die; but we are here to live and build up the Kingdom of God on the earth—to promote the Priesthood, overcome the powers of Satan, and teach the children of man what they are created for—that in them is concealed the germ of all intelligence. Here is the starting-point—the foundation that is laid in the organization of man for receiving a fulness of eternal knowledge and glory. Are we to go yonder to obtain it? No; we are to promote it on this earth (DBY, 88).


We need to put religion in its place. If religion was integrated with government, then it might be appropriate for them to take on the responsibility of the people's economic conditions. Until then, we have to remember what their purpose is.
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Re: Why do you all think religions are responsible for human

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I only care as long as they are given special tax status by the US government. If people didn't get a tax deduction for giving to a church based on its status as a charitable organization, I wouldn't care what they did with their money.

But as a non-Christian (Athenian?), I think it's odd that you cite "bring people to Christ" as a purpose of religion in general. I don't think that's very high on the list of Buddhist priorities.
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This may be why...

On one occasion the Savior asked a question to Peter three times:

“Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. [Jesus] saith unto him, Feed my sheep.”

Because He was deeply concerned with the welfare of our Heavenly Father’s children, the Lord gave Peter the special charge of feeding the sheep. He reaffirmed this same concern in modern times through a revelation given to Joseph Smith:

“Now, I say unto you, and what I say unto you, I say unto all the Twelve: Arise and gird up your loins, take up your cross, follow me, and feed my sheep.”
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I was contemplating this scripture as well:

Matthew 25:34-40 wrote:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
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Drifting wrote:This may be why...

snip the New Testament quote


Is that describing the purpose of a religious organization or just someone's description of positive behavior?
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If the Mormon church spent all of it's revenues on feeding the poor, how would it build the kingdom of God?

What if the Church is holding out for the day when it needs to suddenly purchase billions of $ of infrastructure to support the vast kingdom? It needs capital to grow and thrive.
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zeezrom wrote:If the Mormon church spent all of it's revenues on feeding the poor, how would it build the kingdom of God?


Zee...brace yourself...feeding the poor IS building the kingdom of God....
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Drifting wrote:
zeezrom wrote:If the Mormon church spent all of it's revenues on feeding the poor, how would it build the kingdom of God?


Zee...brace yourself...
Okay, bracing...

feeding the poor IS building the kingdom of God....


It is?
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zeezrom wrote:
zeezrom wrote:If the Mormon church spent all of it's revenues on feeding the poor, how would it build the kingdom of God?


Drifting wrote:Zee...brace yourself...
Okay, bracing...

feeding the poor IS building the kingdom of God....


It is?


:redface:
Well....errrmmmm...harrumph.....okay, it SHOULD be feeding the poor...
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Drifting wrote: ...it SHOULD be feeding the poor...

I'm being the devil's advocate here. I hope you bear with me.

Why SHOULD they be? The only reason I can think of is because it is the "right thing" to do for humanity's sake.

Well, religion is not humanity. Or is it?
Oh for shame, how the mortals put the blame on us gods, for they say evils come from us, but it is they, rather, who by their own recklessness win sorrow beyond what is given... Zeus (1178 BC)

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