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Trying to find a label I am comfortable with
Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 8:37 pm
by _mocnarf
As an ex-mo, am trying to find a label that for myself that fits my beliefs. Many ex-mo's refer to themselves as atheists but that means you don't believe is God. I also don't believe in the Gods that any religion teaches but I do believe in that the intelligent design of the universe.
So, what is the label for someone that disbelieves the teaching of all religions but still believes in intelligent design?
I believe that energy forces from before the big bang determined to create what we call the Universe. I believe that our life force comes from this Universe and will always be part of this Universe. That our life force may at this moment be housed temporarily in a physical body but will return eventually to energy forces of the Universe. Possible what religions call a spirit is but a subatomic particle, a string of energy that oscillates in such a manor as to store the memories (it's history) from before the big bang to the present time. That this life force will again inhabit a physical body either on this planet or elsewhere in the Universe. And that this process will go on for as long as the Universe exists.
So, what label should I claim?
Re: Trying to find a label I am comfortable with
Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 8:56 pm
by _lulu
mocnarf wrote:So, what label should I claim?
Human.
Re: Trying to find a label I am comfortable with
Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 9:04 pm
by _Lucretia MacEvil
mocnarf wrote:As an ex-mo, am trying to find a label that for myself that fits my beliefs. Many ex-mo's refer to themselves as atheists but that means you don't believe is God. I also don't believe in the Gods that any religion teaches but I do believe in that the intelligent design of the universe.
So, what is the label for someone that disbelieves the teaching of all religions but still believes in intelligent design?
I believe that energy forces from before the big bang determined to create what we call the Universe. I believe that our life force comes from this Universe and will always be part of this Universe. That our life force may at this moment be housed temporarily in a physical body but will return eventually to energy forces of the Universe. Possible what religions call a spirit is but a subatomic particle, a string of energy that oscillates in such a manor as to store the memories (it's history) from before the big bang to the present time. That this life force will again inhabit a physical body either on this planet or elsewhere in the Universe. And that this process will go on for as long as the Universe exists.
So, what label should I claim?
You sound like an atheist to me! I'm not seeing the "god" in your belief; I see a scientist. Labels get so sticky, do we really need them? I don't have a convenient label for myself either, and my beliefs are pretty hard to explain so I just don't try much of the time. I'll use atheist casually, though, because I don't believe in the scripture god in any form and that should be enough to qualify me as an atheist. I do believe in a Source of Good in the unverse, although this God (of sorts) is not a creator or a participator in mortal lives.
Re: Trying to find a label I am comfortable with
Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 9:22 pm
by _palerobber
Deist?
Re: Trying to find a label I am comfortable with
Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 9:23 pm
by _palerobber
Pantheist?
Re: Trying to find a label I am comfortable with
Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 9:41 pm
by _Tchild
Life-force believer?
Look, life just exists, and how it self organizes, exists and expresses consciousness...then does not, is beyond explanation, but is not beyond experience and awareness. So, it isn't a belief, but a shared reality that we are all part of.
That isn't belief, but reality.
Re: Trying to find a label I am comfortable with
Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 11:21 pm
by _mocnarf
palerobber wrote:Pantheist?
Pantheism is the view that the Universe (or Nature) and God (or divinity) are identical.[1] Pantheists thus do not believe in a personal, or anthropomorphic god. The word derives from the Greek (pan) meaning "all" and the Greek (theos) meaning "God". As such, pantheism denotes the idea that "God" is best seen as a process of relating to the Universe.[2] The central ideas found in almost all pantheistic beliefs are the view of the Cosmos as an all-encompassing unity, reverence for the Cosmos, and recognition of the sacredness of the Universe and Nature.
Yes. Your right that fits me nicely.
Re: Trying to find a label I am comfortable with
Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 11:27 pm
by _Yoda
mocnarf wrote:palerobber wrote:Pantheist?
Pantheism is the view that the Universe (or Nature) and God (or divinity) are identical.[1] Pantheists thus do not believe in a personal, or anthropomorphic god. The word derives from the Greek (pan) meaning "all" and the Greek (theos) meaning "God". As such, pantheism denotes the idea that "God" is best seen as a process of relating to the Universe.[2] The central ideas found in almost all pantheistic beliefs are the view of the Cosmos as an all-encompassing unity, reverence for the Cosmos, and recognition of the sacredness of the Universe and Nature.
Yes. Your right that fits me nicely.
I was going to say agnostic, since you believe that "something" greater than ourselves created the universe and is "out there".
However, it looks like the pantheist term fits your belief more specifically.
Re: Trying to find a label I am comfortable with
Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 11:34 pm
by _mocnarf
You sound like an atheist to me! I'm not seeing the "god" in your belief; I see a scientist. Labels get so sticky, do we really need them? I don't have a convenient label for myself either, and my beliefs are pretty hard to explain so I just don't try much of the time. I'll use atheist casually, though, because I don't believe in the scripture god in any form and that should be enough to qualify me as an atheist. I do believe in a Source of Good in the unverse, although this God (of sorts) is not a creator or a participator in mortal lives.
I would have to say in my belief, there is no central "God" my belief. It's more that the Universe has come to be through the combine effort of all the life forces at the time of the big bang. So, we as a collective are the "God" that created the Universe. Individually we had an infinitesimally small roll in the creation of the Universe but we did have a part. Our roll was greater than zero.
Re: Trying to find a label I am comfortable with
Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 11:52 pm
by _beefcalf
mocnarf wrote:You sound like an atheist to me! I'm not seeing the "god" in your belief; I see a scientist. Labels get so sticky, do we really need them? I don't have a convenient label for myself either, and my beliefs are pretty hard to explain so I just don't try much of the time. I'll use atheist casually, though, because I don't believe in the scripture god in any form and that should be enough to qualify me as an atheist. I do believe in a Source of Good in the unverse, although this God (of sorts) is not a creator or a participator in mortal lives.
I would have to say in my belief, there is no central "God" my belief. It's more that the Universe has come to be through the combine effort of all the life forces at the time of the big bang. So, we as a collective are the "God" that created the Universe. Individually we had an infinitesimally small roll in the creation of the Universe but we did have a part. Our roll was greater than zero.
What is your midichlorian count?