Which of the Mopologists (if any) Has Received the 2nd Anointing?
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Which of the Mopologists (if any) Has Received the 2nd Anointing?
On a different thread, someone--Everybody Wang Chung, perhaps--was alluding to the idea that Consiglieri may have been given his 2nd Anointing which, as well all know, ensures that one's "calling and election" is made certain. You are pretty much guaranteed a "golden ticket" into the upper echelons of the society depicted in Added Upon. But this raises a number of very interesting questions vis-a-vis Mopologetics.
First and foremost, what are the odds that any of them have received this sacred ordinance? You can make an educated guess based on things we know about this secret rite. E.g., supposedly the "calling and election" is granted to high-ranking priesthood holders, such as temple presidents and mission presidents, and presumably all the General Authorities have gone through the ceremony. Would the same apply to "Agents" of the Strengthening Church Members Committee, such as DCP and Midgley?
If I may be allowed to speculate, I would say that, out of all the Mopologists, Midgley and Greg Smith seem most likely to have gotten the 2nd anointing. I say this because they both act with impunity: Midgley constantly refers to his mortal life as a "probation," as if he's expecting a guaranteed reward on the other side of the veil. Sure: I think that most Latter-day Saints expect to make it into the Celestial Kingdom, but most Latter-day Saints don't display the same level of arrogance and impudence as Midgley. And Smith is arguably the most vicious of the apologists, and similarly acts with impunity--as if, for him, the idea of destroying someone's life would be met with little more than a smirk and a shrug. And if I'm not mistaken, his father-in-law is a General Authority. So perhaps the anointing was given to Smith as a result of him being in the family? Getting sealed to his wife meant, de facto, the he got to have the 2nd anointing?
DCP, on the other hand, is a big question mark for me. He used to be every bit as vicious as Smith--collecting dossiers of quotations that he'd harvested off of RfM, for instance--and openly laughing about ruining Infymus's job opportunities. But he cooled his jets significantly in the wake of his expulsion from the Maxwell Institute, which makes me think that he was concerned about his eternal salvation--as if any further slip-ups might put his status in jeopardy. And recall that in Added Upon, the Celestial Kingdom is a stratified society: even though everyone has achieved Eternal Glory, it's still a world of haves and have-nots. Perhaps Dr. Peterson fears that he's going to be relegated to a lower caste, where he'll have to grovel at the feet of Midgley and Greg Smith? After all, Midgley comes from a higher-status family than DCP, and Smith is related to a GA; I would imagine there is at least a bit of fear that these sorts of social-class differences will carry over to the next life.
I'm curious what others think, but at the moment, I want to get a kind of "scorecard" going. This is who I think has maybe gotten the ordinance, versus who hasn't (and I'm not limiting the list strictly to Mopologists; any "players" in the world of Mopologetics can be included):
--Consiglieri: Maybe
--Greg Smith: Likely
--Louis Midgley: Likely
--DCP: Unlikely
--John Gee: Unlikely
--Steve Smoot: Definitely not
--Scott Gordon: Maybe
--Allen Wyatt: Unlikely
--Jeff Lindsay: Maybe
--Neal Rappleye: Unlikely
--Blake Ostler: Unlikely
--Matt Roper: Unlikely
--Royal Skousen: Maybe
--Brian Hauglid: Probably not, but it would be awesome if he had
--David Bokovoy: Unlikely
--John Welch: Likely
--John Sorenson: Unlikely
--Brant Gardner: Unlikely
--Hanna Seariac: Highly unlikely
--Brent Metcalfe: Possibly
--Grant Palmer: Possibly
--Hugh Nibley: Unlikely
--Bill Hamblin: Unlikely
--George Mitton: Unlikely
First and foremost, what are the odds that any of them have received this sacred ordinance? You can make an educated guess based on things we know about this secret rite. E.g., supposedly the "calling and election" is granted to high-ranking priesthood holders, such as temple presidents and mission presidents, and presumably all the General Authorities have gone through the ceremony. Would the same apply to "Agents" of the Strengthening Church Members Committee, such as DCP and Midgley?
If I may be allowed to speculate, I would say that, out of all the Mopologists, Midgley and Greg Smith seem most likely to have gotten the 2nd anointing. I say this because they both act with impunity: Midgley constantly refers to his mortal life as a "probation," as if he's expecting a guaranteed reward on the other side of the veil. Sure: I think that most Latter-day Saints expect to make it into the Celestial Kingdom, but most Latter-day Saints don't display the same level of arrogance and impudence as Midgley. And Smith is arguably the most vicious of the apologists, and similarly acts with impunity--as if, for him, the idea of destroying someone's life would be met with little more than a smirk and a shrug. And if I'm not mistaken, his father-in-law is a General Authority. So perhaps the anointing was given to Smith as a result of him being in the family? Getting sealed to his wife meant, de facto, the he got to have the 2nd anointing?
DCP, on the other hand, is a big question mark for me. He used to be every bit as vicious as Smith--collecting dossiers of quotations that he'd harvested off of RfM, for instance--and openly laughing about ruining Infymus's job opportunities. But he cooled his jets significantly in the wake of his expulsion from the Maxwell Institute, which makes me think that he was concerned about his eternal salvation--as if any further slip-ups might put his status in jeopardy. And recall that in Added Upon, the Celestial Kingdom is a stratified society: even though everyone has achieved Eternal Glory, it's still a world of haves and have-nots. Perhaps Dr. Peterson fears that he's going to be relegated to a lower caste, where he'll have to grovel at the feet of Midgley and Greg Smith? After all, Midgley comes from a higher-status family than DCP, and Smith is related to a GA; I would imagine there is at least a bit of fear that these sorts of social-class differences will carry over to the next life.
I'm curious what others think, but at the moment, I want to get a kind of "scorecard" going. This is who I think has maybe gotten the ordinance, versus who hasn't (and I'm not limiting the list strictly to Mopologists; any "players" in the world of Mopologetics can be included):
--Consiglieri: Maybe
--Greg Smith: Likely
--Louis Midgley: Likely
--DCP: Unlikely
--John Gee: Unlikely
--Steve Smoot: Definitely not
--Scott Gordon: Maybe
--Allen Wyatt: Unlikely
--Jeff Lindsay: Maybe
--Neal Rappleye: Unlikely
--Blake Ostler: Unlikely
--Matt Roper: Unlikely
--Royal Skousen: Maybe
--Brian Hauglid: Probably not, but it would be awesome if he had
--David Bokovoy: Unlikely
--John Welch: Likely
--John Sorenson: Unlikely
--Brant Gardner: Unlikely
--Hanna Seariac: Highly unlikely
--Brent Metcalfe: Possibly
--Grant Palmer: Possibly
--Hugh Nibley: Unlikely
--Bill Hamblin: Unlikely
--George Mitton: Unlikely
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Re: Which of the Mopologists (if any) Has Received the 2nd Anointing?
Given the GIANT chip on his shoulder that DCP got from his ousting at the Maxwell Institute, I'd be willing to bet a large sum of money DCP has not received his second anointing.
Just today he is still name dropping about being around apostles. One who has had their calling and election made sure by one of the apostles probably does not feel the need to do that.
Just today he is still name dropping about being around apostles. One who has had their calling and election made sure by one of the apostles probably does not feel the need to do that.
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I am pretty sure Hugh Nibley had his second anointing.
"I have learned with what evils tyranny infects a state. For it frustrates all the virtues, robs freedom of its lofty mood, and opens a school of fawning and terror, inasmuch as it leaves matters not to the wisdom of the laws, but to the angry whim of those who are in authority.”
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I was just going to say this as well. Of all apologists he would pretty much be in the positive list of achievement. The brethren, though he scolded them, loved him like no other. And for his part, he defended them pretty well also.
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And if for no other reason, his name is on Temple and Cosmos.Philo Sofee wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:31 pmI was just going to say this as well. Of all apologists he would pretty much be in the positive list of achievement. The brethren, though he scolded them, loved him like no other. And for his part, he defended them pretty well also.
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It's my opinion that Consig has his second anointing. Maybe I know something; maybe I don't.
I also tend to believe none of the apologists have theirs. The Second Anointing I always thought was tied to higher level church service, like Mission President, or large financial contributions.
If this is correct, then imagine how jealous the apologists must be of Consiglieri.
I also tend to believe none of the apologists have theirs. The Second Anointing I always thought was tied to higher level church service, like Mission President, or large financial contributions.
If this is correct, then imagine how jealous the apologists must be of Consiglieri.
We can't take farmers and take all their people and send them back because they don't have maybe what they're supposed to have. They get rid of some of the people who have been there for 25 years and they work great and then you throw them out and they're replaced by criminals.
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Was consiglieri a mission President?Gadianton wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:36 pmIt's my opinion that Consig has his second anointing. Maybe I know something; maybe I don't.
I also tend to believe none of the apologists have theirs. The Second Anointing I always thought was tied to higher level church service, like Mission President, or large financial contributions.
If this is correct, then imagine how jealous the apologists must be of Consiglieri.
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Nibley single handedly for 40 years got the apologists to focus on ancient temple related themes to the point nowadays of ridiculously including absolutely everything to temple themes, including peanut butter and honey sandwiches. Wasn't honey the nectar of the Gods? Well then, it's a temple theme! Actually, it probably is, ayiyi....Ambrosia certainly has a connection along with, interestingly enough, the ancient Indian Soma, though Muraresku thinks it is linked to some kind of hallucinogen.Dr Moore wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:32 pmAnd if for no other reason, his name is on Temple and Cosmos.Philo Sofee wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:31 pm
I was just going to say this as well. Of all apologists he would pretty much be in the positive list of achievement. The brethren, though he scolded them, loved him like no other. And for his part, he defended them pretty well also.
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Re: Which of the Mopologists (if any) Has Received the 2nd Anointing?
Denver Snuffer: Yes