DiscussMormonism.com

bcspace wrote:
How could it possibly be Telestial?

Equality wrote:

Because of your ignorant bigoted personal attacks on gays, stating falsely that there is a statistical correlation between homosexuality and pedophilia, you hate-filled ignoramus.

bcspace wrote:

So tell me, what percentage of cases of pedophilia are same sex? You can't escape it. Facts are facts and science is science. The removal of the post simply means you guys can't face facts just as you accuse those on the MADB of not being able to face facts.

So according to bcspace because Horny Holy Joe was a pedophilia, HE WAS GAY!

Simple Mormon mentality for Simple Mormon answers to complex Social Questions.

Actually Bullsh1ter Joe would be more correctly termed a hebophile.

So according to bcspace because Horny Holy Joe was a pedophilia, HE WAS GAY!

No. But according to the statistics, homosexual pedophilia is one third of all cases which is a HUGE over representation of the homosexual population (about 30x) in this heinous crime.

bcspace wrote:

So according to bcspace because Horny Holy Joe was a pedophilia, HE WAS GAY!

No. But according to the statistics, homosexual pedophilia is one third of all cases which is a HUGE over representation of the homosexual population (about 30x) in this heinous crime.

Total twisted misrepresentation of the meaning of the data. Am awaiting your response on as to your nonsense claim here:

viewtopic.php?p=618980#p618980

viewtopic.php?p=619100#p619100

BCSpace is badly misrepresenting the data by borrowing a popular deceptive claim among the religious right, but saying gays are disproportionately pedophiles is not the same as saying that any individual pedophile (which we have no evidence Smith was) is gay.

I don't agree with moving that post, by the way.

Am awaiting your response on as to your nonsense claim here:

Already given the response which you refuse to address directly. The only thing left for you to do is show data that gainsays the statement I made that 25-33% of all case of pedophilia are homosexual. If you can't, I'm right.

but saying gays are disproportionately pedophiles is not the same as saying that any individual pedophile (which we have no evidence Smith was) is gay.

I don't agree with moving that post, by the way.

At least you're intellectually honest. But the claim I've made is based in science, many of the references I gave have nothing to do with the religious "right" and even if they were, so what? Many claims to the contrary are similarly biased by the same logic.

FACT: bcspace claims that Pedophilia is associated with Homosexuality

FACT: Horny Holy Joe had sexual relationships (meaning sexual intercourse) with MULTIPLE girls 16 years old and younger.

FACT: bcspace establishes that Horny Holy Joe was a Homosexual

bcspace wrote:
At least you're intellectually honest. But the claim I've made is based in science,

No it isn't. See above.

many of the references I gave have nothing to do with the religious "right"

The claim you are making itself comes from religious right sources that misrepresent the data, and all the citations I've seen on the topic from you are secondary source links from religious right primary sources. In the link I just clicked above, what you cited was a religious right source referencing a "study" by another religious right source. In it, it references other academic studies which I guess is what you imagine your references to be, even though that's not how sourcing works. Incidentally, one such study that it misrepresented was done by Dr. Groth.

As one of my links points out, Dr. Groth responded to it as follows:

Since your report, in my view, misrepresents the facts of what we know about this matter from scientific investigation, and does not indicate that my studies on this topic reach conclusions diametrically opposed to yours, I would appreciate your removing any reference to my work in your paper lest it appear to the reader that my research supports your views.

I guess that goes for you too since you imagine yourself to be citing it as though you read the study yourself.

The Mighty Builder wrote:FACT: bcspace claims that Pedophilia is associated with Homosexuality

FACT: Horny Holy Joe had sexual relationships (meaning sexual intercourse) with MULTIPLE girls 16 years old and younger.

FACT: bcspace establishes that Horny Holy Joe was a Homosexual

First, Joseph Smith has no history of sexual attraction to girls under the age of 13, which is the standard definition of pedophilia (provided a large enough age gap.)

Second, you are affirming the consequent. If BSCspace was saying that all pedophiles are gay, you'd have a point, but that's not his claim. He's saying gays are heavily disproportionately predisposed to being pedophiles. It's a false and bigoted claim, sure, but it doesn't lead to the conclusion you want. The fact that he's allowing for the majority of pedophiles to not be homosexuals should be enough to see the error of your reasoning.

EAllusion wrote:

The Mighty Builder wrote:FACT: bcspace claims that Pedophilia is associated with Homosexuality

FACT: Horny Holy Joe had sexual relationships (meaning sexual intercourse) with MULTIPLE girls 16 years old and younger.

FACT: bcspace establishes that Horny Holy Joe was a Homosexual

First, Joseph Smith has no history of sexual attraction to girls under the age of 13, which is the standard definition of pedophilia (provided a large enough age gap.)

Second, you are affirming the consequent. If BSCspace was saying that all pedophiles are gay, you'd have a point, but that's not his claim. He's saying gays are heavily disproportionately predisposed to being pedophiles. It's a false and bigoted claim, sure, but it doesn't lead to the conclusion you want. The fact that he's allowing for the majority of pedophiles to not be homosexuals should be enough to see the error of your reasoning.

This is GREAT. Being 50 and having Sex with a 14 year old means I'm just a NORMAL Mormon. Thanks EAllusion, thanks Lots. Oh, by the way do you have a 14 to 16 year old daughter I can bless like Horny Holy Joe?