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BC believes in the heretical idea that there are daughters of perdition. He believes women are smart enough and powerful enough to be badass enough to be expelled to outer darkness. What a liberal feminist BC is! You mean women don't just follow men obediently? You mean women aren't dependent on the men for making the important decisions?

BC wrote:Except for the sons (and daughters imho) of Perdition.

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I think you have a legitimate point there, zeezrom. Look how progressive bcspace's views are about women's power and potential compared to the beliefs of Brigham Young or Joseph F. Smith. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_of_perdition_(Mormonism)#Daughters_of_perdition

I'm glad we have liberal-minded supporters of feminism like bcspace here on the board. Only by a core philosophical belief that women are just as capable and autonomous as men would a person conclude that females are just as likely to be cast into Outer Darkness as males are.

Surely there is no greater sign that our Heavenly Father loves His daughters as much as His sons than His willingness to condemn them to an eternity of gloom and misery.

All a woman needs to do is have at least one child to avoid the whole daughter of perdition problem ... right BC?

JFS - Doctrines of Salvation

Darth J wrote:Surely there is no greater sign that our Heavenly Father loves His daughters as much as His sons than His willingness to condemn them to an eternity of gloom and misery.

This may sound silly, but this actually did bother me when I first began studying Mormonism. If a woman wants to be supremely evil, why can't she? Why does she get fewer choices than men do? It just seems like women are kept in the mediocre middle: they can't be prophets or apostle and they can't be children of hell, either. "Beauty shall never be tarnished" is a recognized problem in feminist thought, and seems to apply here.

I remember doing a thread about it on the original FAIR board in the late 90s. Good times.

My beginning rationale is this. Are all the one third who were cast out male? If they were, it could explain a grave need for plural marriage but I don't think this is the case.

Yes, I am a (classical) liberal and a (first and second wave) feminist. Of course today's classical liberals are also known as conservatives...........

All a woman needs to do is have at least one child to avoid the whole daughter of perdition problem ... right BC?

JFS - Doctrines of Salvation

Incorrect. Non-doctrinal work unless you can find the same or similar in a work published by the Church.

bcspace wrote:Yes, I am a (classical) liberal and a (first and second wave) feminist. Of course today's classical liberals are also known as conservatives...........

You are probably right about this Bc, but what label should we assign to folks who subscribe to that John Birch stuff and long for the days when the Confederate States flourished? I mean, William F. Buckley would never have released dogs and water cannons on people crossing the bridge from Selma to Montgomery, nor would he have commited high treason by soliciting FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover to take action against President Dwight D. Eisenhower. Buckley might have smoked some dope while wearing his Yale tie and giggled at saying obscure words, but that was about it.

It is those other folks giving classical liberal conservatives a bad name.

bcspace wrote:

All a woman needs to do is have at least one child to avoid the whole daughter of perdition problem ... right BC?

JFS - Doctrines of Salvation

Incorrect. Non-doctrinal work unless you can find the same or similar in a work published by the Church.

How many book written by GAs - even prophets - bear the word "doctrine" in their title?

Well, I know:
...need to understand that certain words in the Mormon vocabulary have slightly different meanings and connotations than those same words have in other religions...

You are probably right about this Bc, but what label should we assign to folks who subscribe to that John Birch stuff

Such as?

and long for the days when the Confederate States flourished?

How so?

Incorrect. Non-doctrinal work unless you can find the same or similar in a work published by the Church.

How many book written by GAs - even prophets - bear the word "doctrine" in their title?

Doesn't matter. Publication is the only identifying factor.

bcspace wrote:Doesn't matter. Publication is the only identifying factor.

So none of Tempe rituals are doctrine because, even though I've done them, they are not published for me to read. Therefore, not doctrine.

Drifting wrote:

bcspace wrote:Doesn't matter. Publication is the only identifying factor.

So none of Tempe rituals are doctrine because, even though I've done them, they are not published for me to read. Therefore, not doctrine.

This is exactly right. They are fluff...non-doctrinal extras.