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Bill Nye "Science Guy" tells people to stop being dumb

Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 4:38 pm
by _DarkHelmet
Actually, he says you can keep being an idiot if you want, but please allow your kids to be smart.

http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/bill-nye-science-guy-hits-evolution-deniers-123047918--abc-news-tech.html

In a clip posted to online knowledge forum Big Think via YouTube, former children's show host Bill Nye spoke out against the denial of evolution, saying such views harm young people especially and hamper scientific progress.

Nye, who hosted the educational show "Bill Nye the Science Guy," which aired on PBS Kids from 1993 through 1998, made the statements in a clip posted online on Thursday, and has since been viewed over one million times. In the clip, Nye praises the United States for its contribution to technological innovation, but says that the denial of evolution is unique to the country.

"People still move to the United States. And that's largely because of the intellectual capital we have, the general understanding of science," Nye said in the clip. "When you have a portion of the population that doesn't believe in that, it holds everybody back, really.

"Evolution is the fundamental idea in all of life science, in all of biology. It's like, it's very much analogous to trying to do geology without believing in tectonic plates. You're just not going to get the right answer. Your whole world is just going to be a mystery instead of an exciting place," he added.

Nye made a three-stop tour through New Hampshire earlier this summer to tout President Obama's education policies while making a push for science and engineering programs. He has endorsed Obama's reelection bid.

In the clip, Nye said that one's "world just becomes fantastically complicated when you don't believe in evolution."

"Here are these ancient dinosaur bones or fossils, here is radioactivity, here are distant stars that are just like our star but they're at a different point in their lifecycle. The idea of deep time, of this billions of years, explains so much of the world around us. If you try to ignore that, your world view just becomes crazy, just untenable, itself inconsistent," he said.

Nye then goes on to urge adults not to deny the teaching of evolution to young people.

"And I say to the grownups, if you want to deny evolution and live in your world, in your world that's completely inconsistent with everything we observe in the universe, that's fine, but don't make your kids do it because we need them. We need scientifically literate voters and taxpayers for the future. We need people that can - we need engineers that can build stuff, solve problems.

"It's just really a hard thing, it's really a hard thing. You know, in another couple of centuries that world view, I'm sure, will be, it just won't exist. There's no evidence for it."

Re: Bill Nye "Science Guy" tells people to stop being dumb

Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 4:54 pm
by _Chap
Bill Nye wrote:And I say to the grownups, if you want to deny evolution and live in your world, in your world that's completely inconsistent with everything we observe in the universe, that's fine, but don't make your kids do it because we need them. We need scientifically literate voters and taxpayers for the future. We need people that can - we need engineers that can build stuff, solve problems.


Naw.

Jesus will be back any time now, so we don't need to worry about science and stuff. Anyway, it's all just theories, and we know that God's word is all we need.

If we needed to believe in evolution, the prophet would have told us. But (as bcspace has pointed out) belief in evolution is strictly optional. Earrings though: getting the number of those right really, really matters.

Re: Bill Nye "Science Guy" tells people to stop being dumb

Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 7:10 pm
by _bcspace
We need scientifically literate voters and taxpayers for the future. We need people that can - we need engineers that can build stuff, solve problems.


This precludes liberals who, though they might accept evolution, tend to accept other demon-haunted fantasies like AGW or eschew science, economics, and history altogether when making decisions.

Re: Bill Nye "Science Guy" tells people to stop being dumb

Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 7:48 pm
by _Drifting
bcspace wrote:
We need scientifically literate voters and taxpayers for the future. We need people that can - we need engineers that can build stuff, solve problems.


This precludes liberals who, though they might accept evolution, tend to accept other demon-haunted fantasies like AGW or eschew science, economics, and history altogether when making decisions.


Bc, I am putting you on 'ignore' until you respond to Lz's thread.

Re: Bill Nye "Science Guy" tells people to stop being dumb

Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 9:29 pm
by _Kishkumen
Bill Nye rocks. Go, Bill! You tell 'em.

Re: Bill Nye "Science Guy" tells people to stop being dumb

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:23 am
by _KevinSim
DarkHelmet wrote:Actually, he says you can keep being an idiot if you want, but please allow your kids to be smart.

I find myself leaning strongly toward evolution, and I've made sure that my children know not only that I am leaning that way, but also that Heber J. Grant made it clear that the LDS Church doesn't have a position on the Theory of Evolution. Latter-day Saints can either believe in it or not, without fear of going contrary to church doctrine.

Re: Bill Nye "Science Guy" tells people to stop being dumb

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:37 am
by _Chap
KevinSim wrote: ... Heber J. Grant made it clear that the LDS Church doesn't have a position on the Theory of Evolution. Latter-day Saints can either believe in it or not, without fear of going contrary to church doctrine.


Yup. But fear of being just plain dumb points only one way.

Re: Bill Nye "Science Guy" tells people to stop being dumb

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:40 am
by _KevinSim
Chap wrote:Yup. But fear of being just plain dumb points only one way.

Chap, can you elaborate on this? I've read it several times, and in all honesty I have no idea what you're saying.

Re: Bill Nye "Science Guy" tells people to stop being dumb

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:43 am
by _Chap
KevinSim wrote:
Chap wrote:Yup. But fear of being just plain dumb points only one way.

Chap, can you elaborate on this? I've read it several times, and in all honesty I have no idea what you're saying.


Try:

"Latter-day Saints can only disbelieve in evolution if they are without fear of being just plain dumb."

Re: Bill Nye "Science Guy" tells people to stop being dumb

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:45 am
by _Equality
KevinSim wrote:
DarkHelmet wrote:Actually, he says you can keep being an idiot if you want, but please allow your kids to be smart.

I find myself leaning strongly toward evolution, and I've made sure that my children know not only that I am leaning that way, but also that Heber J. Grant made it clear that the LDS Church doesn't have a position on the Theory of Evolution. Latter-day Saints can either believe in it or not, without fear of going contrary to church doctrine.

Does the LDS Church have an official position on heliocentrism? I am leaning heavily toward believing the science on this (although it's not as firmly established as the theory of evolution) but I don't know what some Utah hick born in the 19th century had to say on the subject. Can you enlighten me?