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Just ran across something interesting. There is a microfilm titled "Colored brothers ad sisters, Endowment House, Salt Lake City, Utah, Sept. 3, 1875."

Under notes it says:

Baptisms for the dead performed in 1875 for ancestors of black LDS Church members.

https://familysearch.org/search/catalog ... tem%2F3392

Nothing new to us Mormons.....

Those of African Lineage as well as anyone else WERE able to do "Baptisms for the Dead".

Ldsfaqs, why were black women not allowed to be endowed?

"Black Women" WERE Endowed....

Those black of India, Central/South America, the Islands, etc. that were not of African Lineage WERE Endowed.

Eliminate the straw-men, and let's start dealing with the actual facts.
American racial-centrism was/is not the Church. The Church was/is a world-wide organization. Simply because most PROMOTED (by anti's) statements about blacks applied to those blacks in the U.S., because most blacks in the U.S. were of African Lineage, does not mean that was the full policy of the Church.

Now, if you're asking me why "African Lineaged" Women were not given the Priesthood it's because the Priesthood is not simply a "male" affair, it's tied into what makes a man and woman, a husband and wife. Woman is not without the man, and Man is not without the woman.

It's simply because those of African Lineage were banned..... The ban didn't simply apply to African men. Likewise, the Priesthood ban's in the Bible didn't simply apply to the men, it applied to the Lineage itself, which includes the women.

Anyway, I don't expect your liberal/anti-mormon mind to understand complex relationships and ties that bind human beings. You only see the "obvious"...... ooo ooo, women banned also, proves racism. Predictable child....

ldsfaqs wrote:
It's simply because those of African Lineage were banned.....

Why were they banned?

Drifting wrote:

ldsfaqs wrote:
It's simply because those of African Lineage were banned.....

Why were they banned?

Nobody "officially" knows for sure.... At the time, they had several assumptions and views of why the ban existed, but no one actually knows, and many didn't know then, even though many thought they had an idea also. There were just as many who didn't know. Universal doctrines and truth unify the Church, not divide, further proving that whatever assumptions were not Church doctrine. The only actual doctrine was the ban itself. The reasons were never doctrine.

Why were all the other Tribes/Lineages of Israel banned from the Priesthood save the Levites?
No body really knows for sure. Maybe they were called at the time? The scriptures seem to indicate that. Maybe in our time, non-Africans were called to have the Priesthood for a time before those of African lineage?

Maybe as I believe, the actual reason for the ban was because of the racism in the world toward the black African? Guess when the ban ended...??? That racism also ended.

ldsfaqs wrote:

Drifting wrote:
Why were they banned?

Nobody "officially" knows for sure.... At the time, they had several assumptions and views of why the ban existed, but no one actually knows, and many didn't know then, even though many thought they had an idea also. There were just as many who didn't know. Universal doctrines and truth unify the Church, not divide, further proving that whatever assumptions were not Church doctrine. The only actual doctrine was the ban itself. The reasons were never doctrine.
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So the supposed reasons for for the ban were clearly and emphatically stated by a succession of LDS prophets and apostles, but they were quite mistaken in thinking that they knew the reasons for an important church policy that potentially had huge effects on the lives of millions of Americans?

Two questions seem to follow from that.

1. Recent LDS prophets and apostles have allowed church sources to state that the reasons for the policy are in fact not known, despite the clear views of their predecessors that the reasons were known. How can we be sure that they are correct, and their predecessors wrong?

2. If previous LDS prophets and apostles can give mistaken public teaching on an important matter like this, how can we be sure that major parts of the public teaching of current LDS prophets and apostles are not mistaken too?

ldsfaqs wrote:
It's simply because those of African Lineage were banned.....

Drifting wrote:Why were they banned?

ldsfaqs wrote:Nobody "officially" knows for sure....

Exactly.
There is no revelation, no confirmation, no explanation, nada, zilch. Just a vacuum.

So, within that knowledge vacuum, the possibility exists that it could have been just the racist action of one or more men occupying the position of President of the Church.

You know, using Oaks reasoning, if the blacks were allowed to do baptisms for the dead in the temple then they had equality of opportunity when it came to temple access.

Fence Sitter wrote:You know, using Oaks reasoning, if the blacks were allowed to do baptisms for the dead in the temple then they had equality of opportunity when it came to temple access.

I thought Oaks claimed equality was satans plan?