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Romney's Mormon Campaign

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 2:00 pm
by _beastie
I believe Mitt Romney has patterned his presidential campaign on the long-established patterns of LDS leadership.

1. Lying for the Lord

In LDS theology, even God lies to people sometimes, for their own good. (see: D&C explanation of what “eternal damnation” means) He certainly has told people to lie to others for the greater good. Of course, LDS leadership has followed that philosophy all along, from Smith’s lies about practicing polygamy down to the modern lies about LDS leadership involvement in fighting ERA. We are all familiar with Packer’s admonition that not all truth is helpful.

Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan have lied repeatedly during their campaign. I believe Romney’s campaign will go down in history not due to the fact that he’s LDS, but due to the fact that he has lied so brazenly during his campaign. Paul Ryan’s VP speech in particular may go down in history as the acceptance speech containing the most, er, “factual errors”.

I suspect that Romney really does feel “called” to be president, and to save the country. His wife certainly thinks so, and I have no doubt he shares her views. So anything is justified to get into office, where he then can save us all.

2. Getting away with Lying for the Lord

One wonders how leaders can get away with such brazen lying. The answer lies in LDS history as well as George Orwell. If you can control information, you can control everything. LDS leadership have long persuaded their people that negative information obtained from sources outside trusted LDS sources ought not to be trusted. It’s “anti-mormon”, Satan-inspired, with the sole intent of destroying your faith. Don’t listen to them.

The modern republican party has developed a similar party-line. Don’t listen to the mainstream media. They’re liberals. They’re so biased against republicans they can’t be trusted. Listen only to us. Fox news. Rush Limbaugh. (and so on) I heard this demonstrated in perfect clarity in some “on-the-street” interviews with Romney supporters. Several of them offered the “fact” that Obama has removed the work requirement from welfare as a reason to support Romney. When the interviewing reporter offered the information that every fact-check organization has called this claim a “pants-on-fire” lie, the respondents simply asserted that you can’t trust fact-checkers. They’re liberal liars.

The sad part about all this is that it may well work. It’s worked to a certain extent for the LDS leadership, after all.

I'm sure it won't work on moderate republicans, or those who are a bit skeptical towards FOX et al. But it will work to fire up the base, just as it works to fire up the true believers. And Romney's recent race-baiting, which I believe is quite deliberate, will also work. It goes without saying that the LDS church has some history there, too.

Re: Romney's Mormon Campaign

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 2:57 pm
by _bcspace
And Obama hasn't lied? More than Romney even (if Romney ever lied at all). We already know that the Left reflexively shouts "Liar!" when someone tells the truth. The Ryan speech is a case in point.

Re: Romney's Mormon Campaign

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 3:03 pm
by _beastie
All politicians either lie or distort the truth.

Romney's campaign has taken it to a whole new, and utterly brazen, level. And this from a man who views himself as under sacred obligation to be honest with his fellow man. This leads me to believe that he feels it's justified for some reason - for the greater good.

Re: Romney's Mormon Campaign

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 3:14 pm
by _Doctor CamNC4Me
Mmmmm... Not so sure. VP Biden is openly brazen when it comes to the Truth, additionally he's far more embarrassing than President Bush ever was. Need I quote his slavery couplet from a week ago?

- VRDRC

Re: Romney's Mormon Campaign

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 3:23 pm
by _beastie
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Mmmmm... Not so sure. VP Biden is openly brazen when it comes to the Truth, additionally he's far more embarrassing than President Bush ever was. Need I quote his slavery couplet from a week ago?

- VRDRC


Biden suffers from foot-in-mouth disease. That's different than what RomneyRyan have been up to.

Re: Romney's Mormon Campaign

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 6:15 pm
by _dblagent007
The liberal media "fact checkers" are nothing of the sort. They are the liars.

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorial ... rc=HPLNews

Re: Romney's Mormon Campaign

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 6:19 pm
by _dblagent007
beastie wrote:Biden suffers from foot-in-mouth disease. That's different than what RomneyRyan have been up to.

This is an excellent example of how the liberal media gives a pass to Democrats who say false, ridiculous, and outrageous things, but then hold Republicans feet to the fire. If Joe Biden says something completely false, nuts, etc., the media response is: "Oh, that's just crazy ole Joe. Nothing to see here." If a Republican said similar things, the media would crucify him/her.

Re: Romney's Mormon Campaign

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 6:24 pm
by _sethpayne
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Mmmmm... Not so sure. VP Biden is openly brazen when it comes to the Truth, additionally he's far more embarrassing than President Bush ever was. Need I quote his slavery couplet from a week ago?

- VRDRC


+1

Re: Romney's Mormon Campaign

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 6:29 pm
by _sethpayne
beastie wrote:All politicians either lie or distort the truth.

Romney's campaign has taken it to a whole new, and utterly brazen, level. And this from a man who views himself as under sacred obligation to be honest with his fellow man. This leads me to believe that he feels it's justified for some reason - for the greater good.


Hi Beastie,

I agree that the campaign has lied. I'll need to take a closer look to see how it stacks up to Obama/Bush/Kerry/Gore/Clinton lies over the years.

in my opinion, trying to tie Romney to a woman's death from cancer was absolutely shameful. I don't want to take away from the tragedy of her situation but to trie to lay that at Romney's feet was about as dishonest as you can get. One thing I really appreciated about the RNC last night was the stories shared by the many companies Bain helped launch and turn around. I had no idea Staples was funded by Bain initially. 90k employees today .... and I love Staples!

I have to say last night was the first time I was "proud" of Mitt Romney. He came off very positive and very confident -- Presidential.

Hell, I even liked Eastwood. He's like your crazy grandpa at Thanksgiving. A rambling mess for sure ... but a rambling mess with some truly funny moments.

Sorry for the derail....

Seth

Re: Romney's Mormon Campaign

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 6:43 pm
by _beastie
dblagent007 wrote:
beastie wrote:Biden suffers from foot-in-mouth disease. That's different than what RomneyRyan have been up to.

This is an excellent example of how the liberal media gives a pass to Democrats who say false, ridiculous, and outrageous things, but then hold Republicans feet to the fire. If Joe Biden says something completely false, nuts, etc., the media response is: "Oh, that's just crazy ole Joe. Nothing to see here." If a Republican said similar things, the media would crucify him/her.


Can you give some good examples of Biden's lies?