A Perfect, Chronic Poison

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[quote="Doctor Lars C Umlaut"]"All grain is ordained for the use of man... to be the staff of life..."

"All grain is good for the food of man..."

"...wheat for man..."

-D&C Section 89

Modern wheat a "perfect, chronic poison," doctor says ~ CBSNews.com

[quote]Davis said that the wheat we eat these days isn't the wheat your grandma had: "It's an 18-inch tall plant created by genetic research in the '60s and '70s," /quote]


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Doctor Lars C Umlaut wrote: then the Lord's endorsement of grains/wheat in the Word of Widsom is... interesting.


The WOW was 200 years ago. Somehow I doubt it covers the same wheat as today.
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harmony wrote:
Doctor Lars C Umlaut wrote: then the Lord's endorsement of grains/wheat in the Word of Widsom is... interesting.


The WOW was 200 years ago. Somehow I doubt it covers the same wheat as today.

Assuming, for the sake of argument, that modern wheat is every bit as bad as these articles say, shouldn't the Church make some sort of effort to inform members that the Lord's recommendation in the original WoW (and canonized still in the D&C) is now null and void, having expired some five or so decades ago, and that following such can now result in declining health?
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zeezrom wrote:

I just ate homemade pizza with wheat crust...

If you're feeling adventurous, give this recipe a try next time around and tell me what you think (I have yet to try them myself).

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TrashcanMan79 wrote:Assuming, for the sake of argument, that modern wheat is every bit as bad as these articles say, shouldn't the Church make some sort of effort to inform members that the Lord's recommendation in the original WoW (and canonized still in the D&C) is now null and void, having expired some five or so decades ago, and that following such can now result in declining health?


The church? make a change in the WOW? Surely you jest. That would require some inspiration.
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I'll have to try that recipe. I quit wheat about 20 days ago. Surprisingly, I don't miss it much. But I am getting bored with my current menu. Actually, the only grains I'm eating are rice and corn. No yeast.
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I must admit, when I first read the OP, I thought that we were going to have a thread about this Chronic:

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But, I guess I wouldn't call it poison.
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I appreciate everyone who has chimed in. A few have drawn the distinction between modern and pre-modern wheat, and, accepting for the purpose of discussion the legitimacy of the science behind the articles I've linked to, maybe this disctinction does indeed provide an out (or at least a good amount of wiggle room) for Joseph Smith's Word of Wisdom and the God who gave it. But I offer the following for your consideration and will read with interest any feedback you care to provide.

From How Agriculture Ruined Your Health (and What to Do About It):

Right around 10,000 years ago, when former hunter-gatherers began growing grain seeds in neat, organized rows, something happened....

Those early farmers were shorter than the hunter-gatherers they replaced. They got a lot more infectious diseases and more cavities. In short, they were not as healthy as the hunter-gatherers. Same genes, same homo sapiens, different environment, worse health....

[Grain] has an array of chemical defenses, including various lectins, gluten, and phytic acid, that disrupt your digestion, cause inflammation, and prevent you from absorbing vital nutrients and minerals.

All grains contain some or all of these anti-nutrients, to varying degrees, so when our ancestors began making regular meals of them, their health suffered accordingly....

The other thing about grains... is that they raise your body’s insulin levels. Insulin is required to shuttle nutrients, like carbs and protein, into various cells of the body. You eat carbs and insulin deals with them. But if you eat too many carbs... your body pumps too much insulin and you get insulin resistant.

When you’re insulin resistant, any amount of carbohydrate will not be tolerated. It will turn to body fat, and the more body fat you have, the more insulin resistant you get. The more insulin resistant you are, the less nutrients are being shuttled into your cells, meaning you stay hungry even though you’re eating, so you eat even more carbs that you can’t tolerate.

So that the above can benefit from whatever advantages complete context might provide, I recommend reading the entire article (and even the links contained therein).

Thank you for whatever time you've given over to humoring me, and I look forward to your thoughts.
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I am not buying this. I avoid fad diets such as this will kill you, no carb, cabbage soup, prepackaged things like medifast, nutrisystem or weight watchers. I lost 60 pounds just eating a well balanced diet focused on vegatables, fruits, lean protien, some dairy and complex carbs including whole grains. Then I exercised along the way. It was really a lifestyle change. I have watched so many people promote and use the latest fad and yea they lose weight. But then the put it back on.

Also, the this food will kill you comes and goes. Eggs used to be the hated food. Now they are loved. Fat was horrible but then we all ate pasty carbs and got fat. Now healthy fats are good. No carb diets work but they are unhealthy and are tough to sustain.

Just eat a healthy diet, watch your calorie intake and exercise 3-5 hours a week, at least.

As for the food supplly being so tainted , re-engineered and lethal again I think that is bunk. We can grow more food, it is more nutritious, in better shape and quality when we get is and in more abundance than ever. Humans live longer than ever as well. I just don't see it at all.
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