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When you pitch yourself an avowed enemy of God you will certainly not grant him any rights.

Rather than coming to cause the elements to melt with fervent heat with mountans flowing down at his presence and the valley rise up to level the topography and change the earth suddenly such that the previous one could hardly come to mind, let's say he just returns in a descending Holy City and parks. He does not go out and none are allowed in who cannot otherwise get in.

Let's be more dramatic and say he simply goes about his business of being the God of this world, changing the heavens, darkening the Sun betimes and turning the moon to blood, letting loose a few new species of animals and causing new plants to come forth. In other words, rather than an immediate change he is simply turning the world into a paradisaical new world in his own good time. Mountain crumble with good warning so people can herd themselves out of the way. No world religion is favored or recognized. Basically he is ignoring us as much as we have ignored him. We have no rights with him as much as we have given him no rights in our hearts.

At what point would our modern culture admit that this was Very God and change their ways? How long could they resist and hold out with fantastic explanations that defy reason? Would the majority simply go on as if nothing was wrong. Simply adapt to a new situation? I think they would, just hold their breath.

Would the world believe any better? Would they continue to curse and blaspheme God? Angels zapping through the sky calling the inhabitants of the earth to repentance. Choruses of heavenly hosts heard singing the praises of their God day and night.

Why, I bet this board ignores this entire proposition. Right? Won't go there eh? Like with the original creation where verses follow one another it does not mean it happened as fast as all that. Perhaps this is not too much a fantasy.

What would the world make of a kinder and gentler end of the world?

At what point would our modern culture admit that this was Very God and change their ways? How long could they resist and hold out with fantastic explanations that defy reason? Would the majority simply go on as if nothing was wrong. Simply adapt to a new situation? I think they would, just hold their breath.

I think most people exercise reason subject to the premises and assumptions they undertake. As such, I think most people would perk up and pay very serious attention to a person doing things that cannot be rationally explained. "Fantastic explanations that defy reason" are the domain of religionists/spiritualists, not atheists.

Spektical wrote:

At what point would our modern culture admit that this was Very God and change their ways? How long could they resist and hold out with fantastic explanations that defy reason? Would the majority simply go on as if nothing was wrong. Simply adapt to a new situation? I think they would, just hold their breath.

I think most people exercise reason subject to the premises and assumptions they undertake. As such, I think most people would perk up and pay very serious attention to a person doing things that cannot be rationally explained. "Fantastic explanations that defy reason" are the domain of religionists/spiritualists, not atheists.

Atheist would be forced to come up with fantastic reasons that defy logic when confronted with the otherwise reality of an actual God visiting the earth. They are ignored and not gaining any access to study the ins and outs of the event. With no hands-on relevant data how are they going to adapt logically?

If only the contrite can pass into the Holy City........how's that going to happen?

Nightlion, check out the $500 challenge, page four...just a thread away, or so.

What has God got against mountains? Why would he destroy them, even slowly?

An "end of the world" without anyone being killed? I'm down with that. But, then, what does "end of the world" mean if not destruction?

just me wrote:What has God got against mountains? Why would he destroy them, even slowly?

An "end of the world" without anyone being killed? I'm down with that. But, then, what does "end of the world" mean if not destruction?

Perhaps he thought the mountains ought to have inspired man better. They have obviously failed. Bad Mountains.
This is a just suppose/juxtapose. Not meant to be accurate.

Bottom line here for me is who owns the rights? Do the rights of God Trump the rights of men?
The gospel is to bring us to a oneness so that there is no disparity between our rights and God rights. Making for peace.
Natural men think they own rights in defiance of God having any sway over them.

The reality of God denies men any right to defy him. Even Satan and the rebellious continue to acknowledge God even while they will tell you not to.
The denial of God is a world ending event.


D&C 29: 22
22 And again, verily, verily, I say unto you that when the thousand years are ended, and men again begin to deny their God, then will I spare the earth but for a little season;

How much of his works and glory, just me, could you resist while you continue to accuse God?
Seems like atheism is simply cheap politics where you absolutely refuse to see things his way.

Nightlion wrote:Why, I bet this board ignores this entire proposition.

Define "this board." You, too, are "this board," you know.

Like with the original creation where verses follow one another it does not mean it happened as fast as all that.

Actually, it does mean it happened as fast as all that.

Nightlion wrote:

just me wrote:What has God got against mountains? Why would he destroy them, even slowly?

An "end of the world" without anyone being killed? I'm down with that. But, then, what does "end of the world" mean if not destruction?

Perhaps he thought the mountains ought to have inspired man better. They have obviously failed. Bad Mountains.

Surely you jest! Nightlion. You are inspired by the mountains. I am inspired by the mountains. Many artists have been inspired by them. Come on. They inspire a LOT.

Bottom line here for me is who owns the rights? Do the rights of God Trump the rights of men?
The gospel is to bring us to a oneness so that there is no disparity between our rights and God rights. Making for peace.
Natural men think they own rights in defiance of God having any sway over them.

Who owns the rights to what? The earth? Our lives? God doesn't own me any more than my mother owns me.

If I create a dam and then a community is built on the other side of it, do I have the right to destroy the dam and cause the death and destruction of the community? I say no.

The reality of God denies men any right to defy him. Even Satan and the rebellious continue to acknowledge God even while they will tell you not to.
The denial of God is a world ending event.

Sooo, we do not have the right to go against (defy) God? But then you speak of Satan and the rebellious so clearly there is the right or ability to defy God.
by the way, sounds a lot like slavery. Why would I worship a slave-owner god?

How much of his works and glory, just me, could you resist while you continue to accuse God?
Seems like atheism is simply cheap politics where you absolutely refuse to see things his way.

Well, I'm not so sure that I am what one would call an "atheist." I don't necessarily object to the term, I just am unsure if it really fits me.

I do refuse to see things the way of the toxic dysfunctional parent god of Mormonism.

Mooseman wrote:Atheist would be forced to come up with fantastic reasons that defy logic when confronted with the otherwise reality of an actual God visiting the earth. They are ignored and not gaining any access to study the ins and outs of the event. With no hands-on relevant data how are they going to adapt logically?

How do you know most atheists wouldn't simply look at the evidence and change their minds? This is some fantasy world you're conjuring up where atheists are the ones coming up with irrational explanations to attempt to refute the evidence staring them in the face. Again: that is what religionists do in this world. Right now, every day.

And what do you mean with no hands-on relevant data? In Nightlion's hypothetical, there appears to be plenty of hands-on relevant data.

Spektical is dead on. In the highly imaginary world where the New Jeruselem comes out of the sky and parks and this event correlates with massive changes in geography, then atheists will be open to explanations they don't take seriously today. Though, that doesn't mean they'd attribute it to "God" if other simpler explanations are available.

Lamen and Lemuel of old didn't believe even when they saw angels, so don't expect God to send an angel since it won't work. If you're a con pretending to write a book of scripture like Joseph Smith or SR, then you can expect the book to contain justifications to avoid ever having to pony up evidence.