Jesus did not have a wife.

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Jesus did not have a wife.

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Um. That doesn't really prove anything.

Culturally, it would have been very odd for Jesus not to be married. The truth is, no one knows and likely will ever know. Everything written about Jesus was done so far after his death that it can't really be trusted as gospel truth (see what I did there).
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just me wrote:Um. That doesn't really prove anything.

Culturally, it would have been very odd for Jesus not to be married. The truth is, no one knows and likely will ever know. Everything written about Jesus was done so far after his death that it can't really be trusted as gospel truth (see what I did there).

Jesus believed in one wife and His appears to be His Church --- the bride of Christ. Also, Christ came to be a sacrifice, please see: http://carm.org/christianity/christian- ... e-our-sins

Also see: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/markdrober ... -evidence/
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LittleNipper wrote:
just me wrote:Um. That doesn't really prove anything.

Culturally, it would have been very odd for Jesus not to be married. The truth is, no one knows and likely will ever know. Everything written about Jesus was done so far after his death that it can't really be trusted as gospel truth (see what I did there).

Jesus believed in one wife and His appears to be His Church --- the bride of Christ. Also, Christ came to be a sacrifice, please see: http://carm.org/christianity/christian- ... e-our-sins

Also see: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/markdrober ... -evidence/


Again, that doesn't prove anything. Jesus left no writings of his own. Everything we have was written long after the fact by people who had never even met him.

by the way, the word "church" didn't even exist during Jesus' lifetime.
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Actually, there are belief systems which have existed since ancient church times whose traditions claim Jesus WAS married to Mary Magdalene. These traditions also claim she held the Priesthood, and that she and Jesus had a son whom they named Michael.

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jo1952 wrote:Actually, there are belief systems which have existed since ancient church times whose traditions claim Jesus WAS married to Mary Magdalene. These traditions also claim she held the Priesthood, and that she and Jesus had a son whom they named Michael.

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Which, of course, there is no proof for (or against). I should say, no primary evidence.
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just me wrote: Again, that doesn't prove anything. Jesus left no writings of his own. Everything we have was written long after the fact by people who had never even met him.

by the way, the word "church" didn't even exist during Jesus' lifetime.


Jesus believed in one wife and His appears to be His Church --- the bride of Christ. Also, Christ came to be a sacrifice, please see: http://carm.org/christianity/christian- ... e-our-sins

Also see: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/markdrober ... -evidence/
Jesus is recorded as saying that upon the rock that He is the revealed Christ would He build His church. And if writings do not prove anything, why accept writings to the contrary? For they do not prove anything than either... Jesus left eleven men and all but one died horrific deaths for their faith in Christ. All they needed to do was recant and go away, and nothing would have happened to them.
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LittleNipper wrote:Jesus is recorded as saying that upon the rock that He is the revealed Christ would He build His church. And if writings do not prove anything, why accept writings to the contrary? For they do not prove anything than either... Jesus left eleven men and all but one died horrific deaths for their faith in Christ. All they needed to do was recant and go away, and nothing would have happened to them.


I said that we can't know either way. He may or may not have been married. Culturally it would have been odd not to be married.

Jesus most certainly never said the word "church." For one, he did not speak English. Two, there was no word for "church" in his native tongue at that time.

Where is the evidence that Jesus left 11 men and that all but one died horrific deaths? I'd love to see the source material for that.
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jo1952 wrote:Actually, there are belief systems which have existed since ancient church times whose traditions claim Jesus WAS married to Mary Magdalene. These traditions also claim she held the Priesthood, and that she and Jesus had a son whom they named Michael.

Blessings,

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Jesus was, is God in the flesh. He was not controlled by passions. He was without sin. Such beliefs as you mention are gnostic in nature. Such are founded in "secret ritualism and special knowledge."A true born-again Christian believer becomes a part of the priesthood. This isn't some special position designed to control others and rule over them. Jesus had no children and was never married. There is no reason for God to be married. I am not swayed by every fable that comes along and neither should other Christians.
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LittleNipper wrote:
Jesus was, is God in the flesh. He was not controlled by passions. He was without sin. Such beliefs as you mention are gnostic in nature. Such are founded in "secret ritualism and special knowledge."A true born-again Christian believer becomes a part of the priesthood. This isn't some special position designed to control others and rule over them. Jesus had no children and was never married. There is no reason for God to be married. I am not swayed by every fable that comes along and neither should other Christians.


Please provide a CFR for your claim that Jesus had no children and was never married.

When you said "There is no reason for God to be married", were you confining that thought to while Jesus was in the flesh? Either way, this is just your opinion which places limits on what God would do.

In His body of flesh Jesus dealt with all of the same feelings and passions which every other spirit in the flesh deals with. In accordance with your beliefs, if Jesus didn't deal with fleshly passionate temptations, please explain what was difficult about His sacrifice. In other words, how can it even be described as a "sacrifice"? Did He feel pain? Did He suffer? Did Satan's temptations hold any type of choice-making effect on Him? Did He really feel compassion, or is that an inconsistency which you do not need to account for? Is "love" a passion? Without passion, how could Jesus truly love us?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gnostic?s=t

gnos·tic   [nos-tik]

1. pertaining to knowledge.
2. possessing knowledge, especially esoteric knowledge of spiritual matters.
3.( initial capital letter ) pertaining to or characteristic of the Gnostics.
4.( initial capital letter ) a member of any of certain sects among the early Christians who claimed to have superior knowledge of spiritual matters, and explained the world as created by powers or agencies arising as emanations from the Godhead.


Well, we certainly don't want any of the above going on among Christians! Of course, that was a sarcastic remark. However, it is sad that most of Christendom does NOT possess knowledge of spiritual matters. They AND YOU believe it is heretical!! They/you understand only the milk; and are terrified of the meat. Hence your mantra: "I am not swayed by every fable that comes along and neither should other Christians." So you hang on to that passage for dear life, yet are unable to recognize sound doctrine when you hear it because you do not possess spiritual knowledge which is required for you to be able to discern it.

You greatly misunderstand the difference milk and meat (secret or special knowledge) understanding. Jesus taught in parables in order to let us know that there IS a difference; and that only those who are ready to handle the higher Truths will be the ones who have those Truths revealed to them. In other words, those with a milk understanding aren't able to handle the higher Truths. Otherwise, there would have been no purpose for Jesus to teach in parables in the first place.

Blessings,

jo
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