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Everything has its opposite ...

Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 9:26 pm
by _Bob Loblaw
In another thread, I said that Mormonism tends to subordinate the individual to the institution, with an individual's worth coming from participation in the institution. Droopy just about blew a gasket, saying that I was dead wrong and so on. But his reaction made me think of how ideology works. The most successful ideologies are those that convince "true believers" that they are advancing a certain cause but are in reality simply advancing the interests of those in power. Orwell understood this in his description of how "IngSoc" used the terminology of Socialism not to create an egalitarian society but rather to preserve the hierarchy entrenched in society. In essence, then, ideology is often used to get people to do the opposite of the institution's stated goals.

I think that's what is going on in Mormonism. Droopy is right that we are taught the "worth of the soul is great in the sight of God," and a lot of Evangelical anti-Mormons believe that Mormonism's exaltation of the individual is blasphemous in the extreme. Similarly, we are taught that the family is the basic unit of the church, and the church's goal is to "invite all to come unto Christ and be perfected in Him." In theory, at least, Mormonism is about individual and family salvation and exaltation.

But in practice the church puts institutional loyalty and conformity above individual exaltation. The discussion of white shirts and ties in the other thread is a fascinating object lesson in that the necessity of conforming to a rather arbitrary dress code is defended vehemently, and any questioning of it is deemed to be sign of rebellious immaturity. In my many years of experience in the church, it was obvious to me that individuals and families had worth insofar as they supported the church; the family, then, exists to support the institution, and not the other way around. All great authoritarian movements succeed because they convince their followers that true freedom and individuality come from conformity and obedience.

Another example of the disconnect between Mormon ideology and practice is seen in its charitable efforts. Charity is a virtue equated with the love of God and is so important that an affirmation of charity constitutes the Relief Society motto. But in practice, we see church leaders using charitable efforts either as PR opportunities or as carrots by which to get people to come back to church. Too often real needs are dismissed by church members who deem someone undeserving of charity. This attitude showed up in the comment the other day that Darrick Evenson would never get help until he stopped whining about being entitled to assistance. And it's not surprising that the church as a whole spends a tiny fraction of its income on charitable efforts, though it never misses an opportunity to get noticed in the press when it does something charitable.

Does this mean that the church is evil? No, but it does mean that the church works the same way every other man-made authoritarian organization does, by convincing its members that they are furthering certain values when they are really just perpetuating the institution.

Re: Everything has its opposite ...

Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 10:38 pm
by _Fence Sitter
Another example is the how the Church promoted prop 8 as a Defense of Family act, even when example after example showed that it had very little to do with a family unit and every thing to do with preventing gay people from forming their own families. Family is fine as long as it conforms to the 1950's version of a family and everyone in the family is on board with following the leaders of the Church. I do not doubt that there are those who would turn in their own blood to the Church as apostates if they thought the relative was damaging the Church somehow, and view it as some sort of "tough love" approach.

Re: Everything has its opposite ...

Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 11:08 pm
by _Bob Loblaw
Fence Sitter wrote:Another example is the how the Church promoted prop 8 as a Defense of Family act, even when example after example showed that it had very little to do with a family unit and every thing to do with preventing gay people from forming their own families. Family is fine as long as it conforms to the 1950's version of a family and everyone in the family is on board with following the leaders of the Church. I do not doubt that there are those who would turn in their own blood to the Church as apostates if they thought the relative was damaging the Church somehow, and view it as some sort of "tough love" approach.


We see it all the time when people leave the church and their friends and families choose loyalty to the church over love and understanding.

Re: Everything has its opposite ...

Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 11:11 pm
by _Fence Sitter
Bob Loblaw wrote:
We see it all the time when people leave the church and their friends and families choose loyalty to the church over understanding.


Or the opposite when converts talk about having to leave their own families to join the Church. It is viewed as inspirational when someone chooses the Church over family.

See how I tied that into your OP title.

Re: Everything has its opposite ...

Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 11:16 pm
by _Bob Loblaw
Fence Sitter wrote:Or the opposite when converts talk about having to leave their own families to join the Church. It is viewed as inspirational when someone chooses the Church over family.

See how I tied that into your OP title.


When I was a teenager a boy who was a senior in high school wanted to join the church. His parents said he couldn't, but he was baptized anyway, and they disowned him. I thought it was such an inspirational story. I'm not even sure I could imagine anyone leaving the church when I was that age but I thought we were better than that kid's family. Maybe not.