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I do not know who it was. They use to formally thank by name each speaker after they have spoken. Regardless, he denied the power of the gospel. He was striving to give as complete a rendering of the gospel as he knew, and I am sure, as complete as any Mormon Leader knows.

Big contrast though between what he said and what is written in the Book of Mormon. He made the entire gospel our commitment and subjection to the will of God and that is the entire substance of it. If you want to carefully comb through it to show me otherwise please do. I have looked for any hint of experience, knowledge, wisdom, and actual accomplishment of the REAL gospel of Jesus Christ for over forty years as I sojourn among my people these LDS worthies.

What he trampled upon and left out was the response of God to our commitment and to our subjection and to our actual faith and repentance. Is it fear that keeps them back? Is it no living example to model? Is it sheer arrogance to stop short and pretend to own what you are not willing to finish?

They will say that they receive a NEW HEART but it is only their own creation following their own worthy work in seeking to make themselves more like Christ. BIG DIFFERENCE.

They cannot say that they know the Lord or that they have partaken of his power. Every instance in the Book of Mormon of true faith unto conversion brings the power down upon them and they are immediately born again and become new creatures. NO PROCESS of striving to edge closer and closer to God day by day. NEVER ONCE.

How do the LDS get away with this. Are the people stupid? Will they not insist that they be led right and get the promise of the Father which is the earnest of salvation? There is no moment along the path of LDS process salvation where anyone can discern between saved and not saved. This "tell" is sufficient to prove the entire affair is a sham of hypocrisy seeking only to conform to acceptable FORMS of righteousness and boost everyone's feeling of worthiness according to everyone's compliance to these vain forms.

Somebody who know this joker who last spoke copy my critique and send it to him. Send it to him by the thousands and demand an answer. They get to spend the billions by fooling all the Mormons into living a McGospel fast food wickedness that will only be counted for apostasy EVEN trampling upon the Holy One of Israel, and a burning desolation of a just recompense is waiting for all having wasted upon their vanity all the tremendous blessings poured out to set their feet upon a correct path which not one soul will venture upon.

They have a form of godliness but they deny the power thereof=abomination in the sight of the Lord. None have succeeded in coming unto Christ. Therefore the LDS cannot be named as Christian worlds without end. He has put his name upon none of them. For that can only be done by his matchless power which makes you a true saint capable and desirous of a real Zion, living in the zeal thereof.

You know, I seem to recall someone in the last session saying something that seemed to be different than what I believe the scriptures actually say, but it was so minor that I thought perhaps it is one of those tension situations (such as the command to multiply vs the command to not partake of the fruit) where both answers are right.

bcspace wrote:You know, I seem to recall someone in the last session saying something that seemed to be different than what I believe the scriptures actually say, but it was so minor that I thought perhaps it is one of those tension situations (such as the command to multiply vs the command to not partake of the fruit) where both answers are right.

Whatev. This is not that. LDS McGospel is an abomination before the Lord and will be visited with a burning recompense, plague, war, famine and even a desolating scourge if none of the others quite measure up.

D&C 29: 21
21 And the great and abominable church, which is the whore of all the earth, shall be cast down by devouring fire, according as it is spoken by the mouth of Ezekiel the prophet, who spoke of these things, which have not come to pass but surely must, as I live, for abominations shall not reign.

1 Ne. 14: 10
10 And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the bother is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth.

Mormons fail to take their McGospel all the way to the harvest of their souls in the conception of the seed of Christ even the children of God by his power. This is all on Christ and nothing we can do, not even by process. Either Christ and God make a showing and you get born of God or you are left to your own presumption which amount to an abomination and the retention of you membership in the Church of the Devil. Only Christ can bring you out of it BY POWER and that is his choice and his act and not your faithfulness.

Mormons remain contented with their own righteousness which communicates among themselves how very 'worthy' they are and how very 'worthy' they shall remain so long as they follow the prophet who leads them after this manner.

The blasphemy is all the worse because the people can read and know for themselves how far off the mark they are. The fact that it does not bother them in the slightest is a witness to their arrogance and pride lifted up in the estimation of their own righteousness above all people and nations of the whole earth. AS PREDICTED BY Jesus Christ IN 3 Nephi 16.

Please, could someone tell me who the speaker is I am referring to?

Whatev.

I can agree with that.

bcspace wrote:

Whatev.

I can agree with that.

Wont hold my breath for that to happen soon again. lol

Okay, fine. Could somebody suggest a board where I can find people who actually give a crap?
Or has the entire globe become one burn over district of spiritual death?
What? Here I am asking directions from Zombies of Zion. WTMWM?

Nightlion wrote:Okay, fine. Could somebody suggest a board where I can find people who actually give a crap?

Hey, people here give a crap.

I'm stuck on "Power of the Gospel". Can you explain in 2 sentences?

zeezrom wrote:

Nightlion wrote:Okay, fine. Could somebody suggest a board where I can find people who actually give a crap?

Hey, people here give a crap.

I'm stuck on "Power of the Gospel". Can you explain in 2 sentences?

Every time any LDS person says: "in the name of Jesus Christ" and yet was NOT moved upon to say so by the Power of the Holy Ghost he/she has taken the name of the Lord in vain. (having no power)

Such is how ignorant and vain all things LDS has become. It is sacred and an holy thing how and when we take the name of the Lord in our lips. The LDS Gentiles want to come off holy and chosen and Spirit filled and so they use the forms of godliness without power.

They baptize:
They confirm:
They bless:
They preach, teach, expound, exhort:
They administer health and death blessing:
They lead and extend callings:
All by their own best feelings. Never are they wrought upon and constrained by the power of the Holy Ghost to do ANYTHING.

No one will be visited in any of their works by the power of the gospel unless they have truly come unto Christ with full purpose of heart and been made a partaker of Christ's power in the remission of sins, regeneration from the natural man to be raised up to the state of righteousness* of a true saint and added upon with an abundance of great gifts. These are forevermore taught of God and led from grace to grace.

The world will imitate this and shun its reality so not to be found out a pretender by comparison.

This is the earnest or EVIDENCE of the reality of God and salvation with Christ in God.

*This raised up to a higher state of existence is in an instant by the power of God and not that of man and his plying a process of striving to follow Christ's example and come off Christ-like.
What ever is found to be NOT of Chirst's power shall be shaken and destroyed in the end. For all things shall consist, live, move and have their being in him or they cannot remain.

I am not where I can quote the scripture for it.

ON THAT OTHER BOARD bcspace champions some nonmormon's special pleadings of how we become the children of God.

I am at a remote computer in a Hotel and got bannished for having more than ten views before I could quote him.

Regardless, the entire proposition of our becoming the children of God bears upon my OP regarding the ignorance and doctrinal fantasies of LDS adolescence which has been strictly followed from its inception to this present hour, lest the "Spirit" and authority of "leaders" be lost and the entire house of cards collapses. They could have done it right and carried the restoration to Zion. But they were fearful and unbelieving and overcome by the world yet lifted up in pride above all nations in their strong delusions.

We can therefore debate as well how we become the sons and daughters of God as well as what IS and what is not the power of the gospel.