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The government of the CK

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 1:24 am
by _zeezrom
Do you think the government of the Celestial Kingdom (per LDS doctrine) will be more like communism or more like capitalism on the Adam Smith - Carl Marx spectrum?

Re: The government of the CK

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 4:39 am
by _Droopy
zeezrom wrote:Do you think the government of the Celestial Kingdom (per LDS doctrine) will be more like communism or more like capitalism on the Adam Smith - Carl Marx spectrum?



:rolleyes:

Re: The government of the CK

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 5:40 am
by _bcspace
Do you think the government of the Celestial Kingdom (per LDS doctrine) will be more like communism or more like capitalism on the Adam Smith - Carl Marx spectrum?


Doctrine and scripture shows that God is a free market capitalist. Parable of the talents, laying up treasures in heaven, salvational requirements based on merit, etc.

Re: The government of the CK

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 5:49 am
by _Droopy
I don't really think Zeezrom's question was an intellectually serious one, and was just put up to provoke a row. However, I will simply say that economics has to do fundamentally with the alternative uses of scarce resources. In the Celestial Kingdom, resources are unlimited, and the power of gods to use, manipulate, organize, and employ them unlimited as well.

Gods are also not mortal and not susceptible to any kind of infirmity or lack, and hence, they do not "need" anything in an economic sense. As Von Mises would say, there is never any perceived "uneasiness" that would require the acquisition of anything in an economic transaction. And is not the concept of money irrelevant in a CK context? Why does a being that can create worlds need lunch money?

Hence, economics, as we understand the term, is not relevant to the CK. Indeed, given what descriptions we have of the conditions prevailing on the earth during the Millennium (the earth will be a paradisaical planet, of a terrestrial character similar in nature to the Garden before the Fall), concepts of economics will be modified under those conditions too.

Re: The government of the CK

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 5:59 am
by _Mercury
zeezrom wrote:Do you think the government of the Celestial Kingdom (per LDS doctrine) will be more like communism or more like capitalism on the Adam Smith - Carl Marx spectrum?


Totalitarianism

Re: The government of the CK

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 6:30 am
by _Harold Lee
The Klingons are governed by a dictatorship.

Tatoonie is mostly inhabited by nomadic tribes and sand farmers, so it probably has a decentralized government.

The Mormon Celestial Kingdom is pretty clearly not a democracy, even though as time goes on less and less is taught (going on what was said 150 years ago). Since everyone in that civilization is perfect and there's no greed, all its operations are perfectly efficiency.

Moon quakers are governed by a monarchy still.

Re: The government of the CK

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 6:41 am
by _RockSlider
Droopy hit the nail on the head here.

Re: The government of the CK

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 6:51 am
by _Droopy
Harold Lee wrote:The Klingons are governed by a dictatorship.

Tatoonie is mostly inhabited by nomadic tribes and sand farmers, so it probably has a decentralized government.

The Mormon Celestial Kingdom is pretty clearly not a democracy, even though as time goes on less and less is taught (going on what was said 150 years ago). Since everyone in that civilization is perfect and there's no greed, all its operations are perfectly efficiency.

Moon quakers are governed by a monarchy still.



And Harold Lee flew over the Cuckoo's nest (but don't tell Timothy, because he's a bit leery or places like that).

Re: The government of the CK

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 7:06 am
by _moksha
zeezrom wrote:Do you think the government of the Celestial Kingdom (per LDS doctrine) will be more like communism or more like capitalism on the Adam Smith - Carl Marx spectrum?


Depends upon how the Ruling Council decides to award its building contracts. If they award the contracts to big donors, then it tends to be capitalistic. If they build a shopping mall, the question becomes is moot.

Re: The government of the CK

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 7:54 am
by _Drifting
If we are set to become Gods won't we each have our own Celestial Kingdom and so will be able to decide for ourselves how it should be governed?