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Is it doctrinal to say that passing the priesthood from a worthy priesthood holder to a person not holding the priesthood is only valid if the action is approved by a person in commanding authority (bishop, branch pres, stake pres)?

zeezrom wrote:Is it doctrinal to say that passing the priesthood from a worthy priesthood holder to a person not holding the priesthood is only valid if the action is approved by a person in commanding authority (bishop, branch pres, stake pres)?

Well zee, as you know, discovering what is currently doctrinal in the LDS church is a lot like going on a snipe hunt. The darn things are hard to find, and other than bcspace, one soon finds themselves alone in the search.

What makes things worse is that policy and procedure seem to carry the same weight as being doctrinal.

A more interesting question would be, is it scriptural?

D&C 107 shows that indeed the passing of the baton is controlled by the FP, but it seems the Bishop should not be in this linage of control. i.e. bishops duty is all about temperal needs.

64 Then comes the High Priesthood, which is the greatest of all.
65 Wherefore, it must needs be that one be appointed of the High Priesthood to preside over the priesthood, and he shall be called President of the High Priesthood of the Church;
66 Or, in other words, the Presiding High Priest over the High Priesthood of the Church.
67 From the same comes the administering of ordinances and blessings upon the church, by the laying on of the hands.
68 Wherefore, the office of a bishop is not equal unto it; for the office of a bishop is in administering all temporal things;

See my signature:
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco

D&C 107 and D&C all chapter was written by an uneducated farmboy.

Other stupid question, please?

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by the way was the "uneducated farmboy" token deleted from the shibboleth?
I may be behind the Correlation Committee.

zeezrom wrote:Is it doctrinal to say that passing the priesthood from a worthy priesthood holder to a person not holding the priesthood is only valid if the action is approved by a person in commanding authority (bishop, branch pres, stake pres)?

Yes.
And there is a hierarchy as to who can approve whom to ordain whom to what.

One of Mormonism's selling points is that they have overcome the global apostasy through the deliverance of priesthood authority by the laying on of hands from a direct line. I suppose we might add some fine print to that benefit: it must be approved by the people already in charge. Without such approval, the priesthood is empty and moot. Someone might ask, "Who approved the conception of Mormon power among men?"

Obviously, believers would answer, "Why, God, of course."

Next, someone might ask, "What if God approved transmission of his priesthood from me to my wife?"

zeezrom wrote:Is it doctrinal to say that passing the priesthood from a worthy priesthood holder to a person not holding the priesthood is only valid if the action is approved by a person in commanding authority (bishop, branch pres, stake pres)?

I do not think ordaining your daughter will have any efficacy.

3sheets2thewind wrote:

zeezrom wrote:Is it doctrinal to say that passing the priesthood from a worthy priesthood holder to a person not holding the priesthood is only valid if the action is approved by a person in commanding authority (bishop, branch pres, stake pres)?

I do not think ordaining your daughter will have any efficacy.

As much as ordaining my son, I suppose.

zeezrom wrote:One of Mormonism's selling points is that they have overcome the global apostasy through the deliverance of priesthood authority by the laying on of hands from a direct line. I suppose we might add some fine print to that benefit: it must be approved by the people already in charge. Without such approval, the priesthood is empty and moot. Someone might ask, "Who approved the conception of Mormon power among men?"

Obviously, believers would answer, "Why, God, of course."

Next, someone might ask, "What if God approved transmission of his priesthood from me to my wife?"

The question becomes, what exactly has the Church overcome?
What, of any significance, has the 'restored' Priesthood brought us that wasn't already here...?
(I realise that when asking this; what True Believing Mormons see as significant the rest of the world see's as either pointless or darn right kooky).

Drifting wrote:who can approve whom to ordain whom to what

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What?

ludwigm wrote:

Drifting wrote:who can approve whom to ordain whom to what

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What?

...who (the person in authority authorising the levels of ordaining authority) can approve whom (the person being authorised by the 'who' in authority, to carry out the ordaining) to ordain whom (the person being ordained by the person who has been authorised by the authority to carry out the ordaining) to what (the position, or calling, that the person is being ordained to by the person who has been authorised by the person in authority to carry out the ordaining).

Hope that clears it up...