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Nice to see that happen.

Also there is an interesting thread started by Cinepro at MDD about the inevitability of SSM and the wisdom, in hindsight , of the Church investing so much time and money into Prop 8.

3 pages into the thread and most of the response are muted and or even positive about the change with speculation about maybe the Church leadership was wrong about their stance. What a radical change from the threads on the same subject only a few years ago.

Behind The Movement For SSM- Is Acceptance Inevitable

I think this was a watershed election for marriage equality. I'm hoping my grandchildren will wonder what all the fuss was about.

Reports seem to indicate that the church may have already given up fighting same-sex marriage.

If nothing else it's a smart PR move. Had they tried to mount a fight in those states the same way they did in Prop. 8 they would start to get a reputation of being that one church against gay marriage.

I feel sorry for the members who donated so much time and money to proposition 8. If the church had done some research or had been more honest with themselves they would have realized that it inevitably was going to be overturned.

Thanks for the Post article link Stormy. I wonder if the reluctance to push the anti Gay legislation on the part of the Church will go away now that Romney has lost? It will be interesting to see if the Church made a political decision just to help Romney win or if the reversal in policy is more permanent.

for what it's worth, here's the article I linked to that explains how supporters of SSM were able to shift public opinion:

http://news.msn.com/politics/how-gay-ma ... -the-polls

How same-sex marriage ballot initiatives turned around is all about the long game. The gay rights movement succeeded using one of the most sophisticated issue campaign operations ever deployed—and by making it stick with old-fashioned commitment, hard work, and face-to-face conversations.

I think this quote more accurately describes what is going on. While the ad campaign may have had some affect, more likely it is pure and simple age demographics. Given the inter-connectivity available through Facebook, Tweeting and so on, it is not possible for parents to control who their kids have as friends or to even control who your friends have as friends.

Skeptics contend these tactics are a waste. Some think the gay rights issue is now a self-propelling snowball, and that demographics accounts more for progress than all the targeted activism. ...

But we know these conversations work—and not only because of the election results Tuesday. Research shows that knowing a gay person makes you 65 percent more likely to support same-sex marriage—and having a conversation with that gay person about marriage raises the figure to 80 percent.

Fence Sitter wrote:Nice to see that happen.

Also there is an interesting thread started by Cinepro at MDD about the inevitability of SSM and the wisdom, in hindsight , of the Church investing so much time and money into Prop 8.

The Church pretty much stopped being actively engaged against SSM initiatives after Prop 8. The Church issued a press release that it would not seek to "influence" a ssm initiative in another Country (I think it was Mexico City, Mexico). As I recall the Church stated it essentially respected the sovereignty of other Countries and did not want to influence their political process

3 pages into the thread and most of the response are muted and or even positive about the change with speculation about maybe the Church leadership was wrong about their stance. What a radical change from the threads on the same subject only a few years ago.

Here is why the muted and somewhat positiveness.

Looked at the Banned list:

Selek,
Droopy,
Jeffk,
Obiwan,

Look at who does not post much or at all anymore:
mordecia,
pahoran

Not sure about LeSeller (banned or just does not post)


Basically the raviness "we must destroy all who do not toe the line" people have been banned or do not participate anymore; this somewhat allows people to post what they truely think.

3sheets2thewind wrote:

Here is why the muted and somewhat positiveness.

Looked at the Banned list:

Selek,
Droopy,
Jeffk,
Obiwan,

Look at who does not post much or at all anymore:
mordecia,
pahoran

Not sure about LeSeller (banned or just does not post)


Basically the raviness "we must destroy all who do not toe the line" people have been banned or do not participate anymore; this somewhat allows people to post what they truly think.

Good point, though there are still some there who continue to try. Reading Ahab's attempts to explain why adoptive children are less loved and or more disadvantaged than biological ones is painful. The lengths some will go to prove that Gay parents are worse than straight ones never ceases to amaze. Single parents, adoptive parents and childless couples get thrown under the bus just to maintain the 'moral high ground'.