In the time of Moses, God purportedly intervened to part the waters of the Red Sea so that the Children of Israel could walk across the sea bed, but then as the Egyptian soldiers pursued, the Red Sea engulfed and drowned them. God intervened to save the Children of Israel.
Then, as they wandered in the barren wilderness without food or food sources, God intervened and provided them manna daily. God intervened and provided them food so that the would not die of hunger.
In the opening passages of the Book of Mormon, God intervened and commanded Nephi to slay Laban, and take the brass plates record. Better, according to God, that one man should die than an entire nation perish in disbelief.
Mormon folklore has it that as crickets were devouring the Mormon's crops in newly settled parts of Utah, God caused seagulls to come and eat the crickets, saving the remaining crops.
Yet God does nothing to provide food for millions of starving children and adults in Africa, southeast Asia, and other parts of the world.
Happy Thanksgiving, as we gorge ourselves on turkey and trimmings. Let us give thanks to God for this bounty, that God chose not to bestow on so many more needy than we, but we than God for providing it to us.
God's Intervention
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sock puppet wrote: ...
Yet God does nothing to provide food for millions of starving children and adults in Africa, southeast Asia, and other parts of the world ...
Umm, there are answers to that old chestnut, you know:
1. Maybe those starving children did not ask God for food in the right way. I mean, if your children were starving, and failed to use the right form of words in asking you for food, you wouldn't give them a potato chip, would you?
2. All those children who die of starvation are being guaranteed entry to the CK, so dying young is a blessing.
3. If God gave those starving children food, that would only teach their parents to be irresponsible.
4. One day we shall understand why God did things the way he did. Until then, we can please God but having faith in him and spending a lot of time telling him that he is wonderful.
Zadok:
I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis.
Maksutov:
That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis.
Maksutov:
That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
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Children in Africa are denied food by men and politics, not by God.
I'm surprised at you, SP. I thought you knew this.
I'm surprised at you, SP. I thought you knew this.
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
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harmony wrote:Children in Africa are denied food by men and politics, not by God.
I'm surprised at you, SP. I thought you knew this.
Starving child to God: "Please God, let me find something to eat in this rubbish heap I am picking over! Please send me some food!! My stomach hurts and I feel so dizzy with hunger."
God to starving kid: "Hey kid! Quit bothering Me! Dontcha' know that you are being denied food by men and politics, not by Me? None of my responsibility."
Zadok:
I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis.
Maksutov:
That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis.
Maksutov:
That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
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Organizations all over the world donate money and food to starving children in Africa, Chap. Surely you know how that process is circumvented by men in power.
Are you so averse to blaming men, or do you prefer to blame some mythical creature?
Are you so averse to blaming men, or do you prefer to blame some mythical creature?
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
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harmony wrote:Organizations all over the world donate money and food to starving children in Africa, Chap. Surely you know how that process is circumvented by men in power.
Are you so averse to blaming men, or do you prefer to blame some mythical creature?
Oh, so long as we are agreed that "God" is a mythical creature, you and I have no problem.
If however he is not mythical, he clearly has some large moral problems to face up to.
Zadok:
I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis.
Maksutov:
That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis.
Maksutov:
That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
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harmony wrote:Children in Africa are denied food by men and politics, not by God.
I'm surprised at you, SP. I thought you knew this.
Did He forget the incantation that can provide them every morning enough manna for that day?
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sock puppet wrote:harmony wrote:Children in Africa are denied food by men and politics, not by God.
I'm surprised at you, SP. I thought you knew this.
Did He forget the incantation that can provide them every morning enough manna for that day?
Or can he come back for just a smidgin of his vastly important eternity in order to share the gift of making food for thousands from mere crumbs? I mean is THAT really TOO HARD for God to do for his children?
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United States farmers could feed the world, if there weren't men in charge of the food chain.
Thus God (however she is concieved to be) has provided for her children. Men keep millions from her bounty.
Thus God (however she is concieved to be) has provided for her children. Men keep millions from her bounty.
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
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harmony wrote:United States farmers could feed the world, if there weren't men in charge of the food chain.
Thus God (however she is concieved to be) has provided for her children. Men keep millions from her bounty.
Well, but it was men (Egyptian soldiers) that could have left the Children of Israel alone, but God intervened--but isn't intervening to the feed the children.
I'm with you, though, harmony, it's all about men. There is no evidence of god, after all. The fact of allowing the needless suffering is proof against the existence of a good, powerful being.