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Re: The Term Anti-Mormon
Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 3:28 pm
by _hobo1512
why me wrote:Jews moved into areas, and started taking over, bullying (although discreetly) their way into positions of power, and the people pushed back.
Also, when they caused problems they couldn't fix, the early Jews high tailed it out of places, and blamed it on persecution.
Let's also not forget how Jews over (often illegaly)used Habeous Corpus to get their way.
Can you blame the non jews in the crowd for being concerned, and agitated after hearing a speech like that? Get real.
Shalom
How does that sound? Many a nazi said many things about the jews.
So now you're anti-semetic too. Great, we'll add that to the list.
1. Anti-Catholic
2. Anti-Semetic
Care to add any more to the list?
Don't you get tired of being a hypocrite?
Re: The Term Anti-Mormon
Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 3:29 pm
by _hobo1512
why me wrote:Ceeboo wrote:
If you don't mind, I would like to shelf the Mormon/Catholic discussion. The purpose of this thread was an attempt for me to get a deeper understanding/perspective as to what an anti-Mormon is and what it really means to be one (I am still not sure if I am one or not?).
Peace,
Ceeboo
what is your definition of an anti catholic? The definition of an antimormon would be the same.
Look at your posting history. That would be a perfect definition.
Don't you get tired of being a hypocrite?
Re: The Term Anti-Mormon
Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 3:36 pm
by _Ceeboo
Hi why me,
Please stop posting things that disrupt, divert, and deflect from the topic of this thread.
Please!
Thank you!
Peace,
Ceeboo
Re: The Term Anti-Mormon
Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 3:52 pm
by _hobo1512
Ceeboo wrote:Hi why me,
Please stop posting things that disrupt, divert, and deflect from the topic of this thread.
Please!
Thank you!
Peace,
Ceeboo
Well, he'll never post again
Re: The Term Anti-Mormon
Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 3:59 pm
by _Chap
hobo1512 wrote:Ceeboo wrote:Hi why me,
Please stop posting things that disrupt, divert, and deflect from the topic of this thread.
Please!
Thank you!
Peace,
Ceeboo
Well, he'll never post again
Just click on the 'report' button and choose the 'Off-topic' option.
Re: The Term Anti-Mormon
Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 4:27 pm
by _Shiloh
Ceeboo wrote:In my mind, this directly speaks to the OP.
If you're willing, I would like to drill down on your above comment some more.
Ecumenical = Promoting of fostering Christian unity throughout the world.
You offer that that Mr. Smith possesed an "ecumenical streak".
Can you elaborate on this?
In an effort to be transparent and fair with you, I do not believe Mr. Smith encouraged, proposed, or taught "Christian unity" at all. It is my opinion that he developed and spread an entirely new set of beliefs about Jesus Christ that did not (and do not) reflect the basic and core beliefs of Christianity.
Mr. Boo:
Don't get me wrong. Joseph Smith certainly taught that he had a revelation and was in processes of restoring to Christianity what he believed had been lost. In that sense, Joseph Smith was very pro-Christian.
Joseph Smith also championed religious liberty for all and tried to create that environment in Nauvoo. Non-Mormons were part of the council of 50.
Check out this article:
http://www.sunstonemagazine.com/wp-cont ... -32-41.pdfAnyway, being pro-[fill in your own religion] isn't being anti- anything. Joseph Smith was pro-Mormon and taught that truth was to be found everywhere.
Re: The Term Anti-Mormon
Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 4:34 pm
by _RockSlider
Ceeboo wrote:Ceeboo wrote:Also, given your base definition, would you consider Mormonism to be anti-Christian?
Anybody want to offer their opinion/perspective on this?
Thanks and peace,
Ceeboo
More accurately, Mormonism is anti-Catholic - whore of the earth and all you know.
Re: The Term Anti-Mormon
Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:00 pm
by _RockSlider
Wow, ldsfqs going after ceeboo, accusing him of being bigoted against the LDS church and labeling him anti-mormon.
This is a perfect example of the members of the church, where not even the mildest of criticism can be tolerated and the person/material being mildly criticized must be vilified and rejected as coming from a Satan influenced anti-mormon.
I think you missed the boat on this one ldsfqs.
Re: The Term Anti-Mormon
Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:11 pm
by _RockSlider
Ceeboo wrote:First, as I thought I made clear in a previous post to you, I do not suggest that any individual Mormon does anything. Mormonism, on the other hand, is clearly against all other religions and has been so from the very origins.
Ceeboo, there is another aspect of this that you may not be aware. The temple teaches that Satan claims himself to be the God of this World. Which is temporary, but basically true (God allows Lucifer to test and try them etc.)
Thus, Satan upon declaring himself the God of this world sets forth to hire/employ ministers to teach his gospel. Thus any church, besides the Only True Church on the face of the earth is employed by the mortal God of this world ... Satan.
I think it was in the 1990's that temple endowment was changed to soften this stand a bit as it was so offensive to converts of other Christian religions.
Ceeboo must realize that the church of 30 years ago is different than the "main streaming" of the church today.
While some of us might find the concept of a fully restored gospel changing for the political correctness of Christianity unsettling, I suppose it's a good sign that the LDS church is no longer anti-every-other-church. At least when my generation dies off that is.
Re: The Term Anti-Mormon
Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:19 pm
by _Fence Sitter
Shiloh wrote:Ceeboo wrote:
First vision?
Teachings of the LDS church?
60,000 missionaries as we type?
Hello Mr. Boo. I haven't read through the entire thread so forgive me if I'm repeating something stated earlier.
If we take the 1838 FV account at face value we see a very stern condemnation of *creeds.* Those ministers who taught those creeds drew near to God but their hearts were far from him because the creeds prevented true communion. That is how I've always read the FV account, anyway. The "corruption" flowed from the faulty creeds. If you look at how Joseph Smith interacted with those of other faiths -- especially during the Nauvoo years -- I think it would hard to make a case that Joseph Smith was opposed any specific organized religion. Rather, he took issues with creedal doctrine. Just semantics? Yes and no.
Mormons and Catholics are similar in that we don't define ourselves by what we are not. Rather, we both make the case for who we believe we are. The Pope has reitterated that the Catholic Church is the one-true-church. Great. So do the Mormons.
Let me put it this way: when I was growing up I never went to a Wednesday YM/YW activity to be taught why another religion was false. The EV church down the street did a "How to witness to your Mormon friends" seminar about twice a year. They also held a session on Catholics. :) These clowns are anti-Mormon AND anti-Catholic.
Believing Catholics aren't anti-Mormon and believing Mormons aren't anti-Catholic -- by default. I'm sure we can find some zealots out there but in my experience, neither Catholics nor Mormons waste must time fighting each other.
First, as I thought I made clear in a previous post to you, I do not suggest that any individual Mormon does anything. Mormonism, on the other hand, is clearly against all other religions and has been so from the very origins.
Given Joseph Smith's ecumenical streak I very much disagree with this assessment.
Shiloh,
I think the missionary effort can be viewed as anti-every-other-religion. One of the questions I ask most missionaries who visit my house is do they teach the great apostasy. (Everyone has said yes.) Isn't the attempt to convert someone from one religion to another an attack on the former religion? Seems to me there is a difference between discussing differences or even trying to convince someone where he is wrong about a certain tenant and trying to persuade someone to abandon a false religion for the one true religion.