sock puppet wrote: I am curious WHY your father donated it. It does make me suspect that the diary contents do cast the church in a bad light.
Yeah, sure. Journals are donated weekly/daily by the faithful.
Rory's father had to disobey the direct wish of their ancestor who started this tradition, that it continue. That differentiates it from the run of the mill ones donated weekly/monthly. Instead, Rory's father, who received the diary from his father who was observing the ancestry wish and tradition, chose to buck it and instead 'donate' it to the LDS Church. That fact--that distinguishing fact--makes the purpose of the donation intriguing and suspicious.
Racer wrote:Wait until the Dept of History manager is in a vulnerable position and then cut off his head. Put on his clothes and approach his secretary. She will think you are her boss. Tell her you need her to fetch xyz journal from the archives. As soon as she delivers the journal, high tail it out of there. You may need to hide out in the wilderness for a while.
It sounds extreme and poorly planned, but I know of somebody who had to do this to get some family records, and it seemed to work out OK.
Ok I admit, that's funny.
Then saith He to Thomas... be not faithless, but believing. - John 20:27
I'm guessing you are not referring to a Last Will and Testament here?
Do you have any documentation regarding the donation of the material to the archive?
"And the human knew the source of life, the woman of him, and she conceived and bore Cain, and said, 'I have procreated a man with Yahweh.'" Gen. 4:1, interior quote translated by D. Bokovoy.
As I mentioned, I can only speculate, I have a couple possibilities in mind. I also have his explanation which he gave during the conversation where he informed of his actions. His story doesn't hold water with me. He said the journal was in bad shape, falling apart, and he didn't think I cared enough to properly protect it. I had held and read parts of it just 2 years ago, it was in great shape for a journal that was about 170 years old.
My position is that no individual owned the book, they were only caretakers, or stewards. The precedent set by each generation clearly shows this. The church cannot make an argument contradicting this without demonstrating a willingness and ability to suspend critical thinking..., oh yeah, never mind.
Anyway, while I really like the fooling his secretary idea, I feel a need for official acknowledgment. I want a statement in hand, showing that their archives mean more to them than family reconciliation. One interesting thing I read, I didn't get to spend much time with it, was the first entry by my forefather. He writes about his village in Scotland being filled with witches, lol. I'm thinking it wasn't difficult for him to believe a story about golden plates being dug up.
I'm guessing you are not referring to a Last Will and Testament here?
Do you have any documentation regarding the donation of the material to the archive?
I agree with lulu here. Any documentation will be important to have.
I would be surprised if you couldn't get a copy, though I know that's not what you want.
As for the state of the journal being the reason to donate it, well, someone who had no idea about preservation might think that, though of course one could privately have had it rebound and housed in an archival sleeve and box.
More likely, though, is that if you had expressed doubts about the church he had decided you weren't "worthy" to carry on the legacy. I'm assuming that was part of it?
From the Ernest L. Wilkinson Diaries: "ELW dreams he's spattered w/ grease. Hundreds steal his greasy pants."
What a shame the Church spends hundreds of thousands of dollars pouring over European archives and copying names and birthdates in the name of Elijah but with the same equipment will not make copies of the thousands of pioneer diaries locked away never to see the light of day.
God has the right to create and to destroy, to make like and to kill. He can delegate this authority if he wishes to. I know that can be scary. Deal with it. Nehor.. Nov 08, 2010
Racer wrote:Wait until the Dept of History manager is in a vulnerable position and then cut off his head. Put on his clothes and approach his secretary. She will think you are her boss. Tell her you need her to fetch xyz journal from the archives. As soon as she delivers the journal, high tail it out of there. You may need to hide out in the wilderness for a while.
It sounds extreme and poorly planned, but I know of somebody who had to do this to get some family records, and it seemed to work out OK.
More likely, though, is that if you had expressed doubts about the church he had decided you weren't "worthy" to carry on the legacy. I'm assuming that was part of it?
It is likely that he is aware of my feelings about the church, allthough not the extent. The only reason I have not requested to have my name removed from the record yet is the hope that they would be more likely to accomadate a member over an ex-mormon. I know that is kind of unethical, but I really don't give a flying F.
by the way, where can I get information on completing that process?
Racer wrote:Wait until the Dept of History manager is in a vulnerable position and then cut off his head. Put on his clothes and approach his secretary. She will think you are her boss. Tell her you need her to fetch xyz journal from the archives. As soon as she delivers the journal, high tail it out of there. You may need to hide out in the wilderness for a while.
It sounds extreme and poorly planned, but I know of somebody who had to do this to get some family records, and it seemed to work out OK.
OMFG!
+2 for Racer, +1 TcanMan
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