just me wrote:What specific thing about Joseph Smith should we put on trial in a fair manner?
Does God want us to consider Smith to have been God's spokesman to the world?
That's pretty loaded. There is no evidence that any god even exists.
just me wrote:What specific thing about Brigham Young should we put on trial in a fair manner?
Does God want us to consider Young to have been God's spokesman to the world after Smith's death?
Again, what proof do we have that any god even exists?
~Those who benefit from the status quo always attribute inequities to the choices of the underdog.~Ann Crittenden ~The Goddess is not separate from the world-She is the world and all things in it.~
If there is a god, why would he use a couple of obscure dudes to be his messengers? Dudes that very, very, very few humans would even have the opportunity to hear their names, let alone their message?
That just seems damn inefficient to me. Doesn't even give a portion of 1% of people the chance to hear.
~Those who benefit from the status quo always attribute inequities to the choices of the underdog.~Ann Crittenden ~The Goddess is not separate from the world-She is the world and all things in it.~
Do you feel people in general aren't considering the case of the Mormons objectively? If so, do you feel the cases of Joseph Smith and BY lie in the crux of it all?
Oh for shame, how the mortals put the blame on us gods, for they say evils come from us, but it is they, rather, who by their own recklessness win sorrow beyond what is given... Zeus (1178 BC)
just me wrote:If there is a god, why would he use a couple of obscure dudes to be his messengers? Dudes that very, very, very few humans would even have the opportunity to hear their names, let alone their message?
That just seems damn inefficient to me. Doesn't even give a portion of 1% of people the chance to hear.
And yet if somebody does something really stupid all the world will hear about it. It goes viral. People cannot stop talking about it. But when the truth gets told everyone shuts their mouth and refuses to discuss it and turn away and hides and pretend it never happened.
And you blame God..................hmm?
By me God is proven daily. Have you not heard? Has nobody ever told you? How many have made inquiry?
And you blame God..............and think he does not exist.
It all boils down to choices. People chose poorly.
just me wrote:If there is a god, why would he use a couple of obscure dudes to be his messengers? Dudes that very, very, very few humans would even have the opportunity to hear their names, let alone their message?
That just seems damn inefficient to me. Doesn't even give a portion of 1% of people the chance to hear.
And yet if somebody does something really stupid all the world will hear about it. It goes viral. People cannot stop talking about it. But when the truth gets told everyone shuts their mouth and refuses to discuss it and turn away and hides and pretend it never happened.
And you blame God..................hmm?
By me God is proven daily. Have you not heard? Has nobody ever told you? How many have made inquiry?
And you blame God..............and think he does not exist.
It all boils down to choices. People chose poorly.
Nothing "went viral" until very recently...and even then it has it's limits. Bet the little tribes without electricity don't get the "viral" news.
~Those who benefit from the status quo always attribute inequities to the choices of the underdog.~Ann Crittenden ~The Goddess is not separate from the world-She is the world and all things in it.~
just me wrote: Nothing "went viral" until very recently...and even then it has it's limits. Bet the little tribes without electricity don't get the "viral" news.
I know you got my point. See? You simply refuse to admit it. What's up with that? Why is man so rrrrrepressed spiritually when it gets real. Stupid spiritual sells because people like goofy caricatures. Why do men instinctively avoid the gospel? Oh, I know. Because it will make them a new creature. That scares the crap out of them and they really would rather not. Too bad. Their loss.
KevinSim wrote:Does anyone want to know what I really think? About Joseph Smith and Brigham Young and Gordon Hinckley and Thomas Monson?
not really.
2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. 2 Tim 4:4 They will turn their ears away from the truth & turn aside to myths
nightlion wrote: And yet if somebody does something really stupid all the world will hear about it. It goes viral. People cannot stop talking about it. But when the truth gets told everyone shuts their mouth and refuses to discuss it and turn away and hides and pretend it never happened.
And you blame God..................hmm?
By me God is proven daily. Have you not heard? Has nobody ever told you? How many have made inquiry?
And you blame God..............and think he does not exist.
It all boils down to choices. People chose poorly.
The idea that a god would use one human being to inform another human being is just plain loco. It has never worked and it never will. One definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing over and over believing it will turn out differently. (IMHO)
The person who is certain and who claims divine warrant for his certainty belongs now to the infancy of our species. Christopher Hitchens
Faith does not give you the answers, it just stops you asking the questions. Frater
Lucretia MacEvil wrote:The idea that a god would use one human being to inform another human being is just plain loco. It has never worked and it never will. One definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing over and over believing it will turn out differently. (IMHO)