Elder Wickman on Prop 8: It was the members, NOT the Church.

[_The Mormon Report]

For your consideration:

Elder Wickman - Thoughts on Proposition 8 | YouTube.com

[_Tim the Enchanter]

"Contrary to what some may think, it was the members not the church. Yes, the First Presidency of the Church sent a letter that was read in Sacrament Meeting urging members to get involved and that's all that was needed and they were galvanized by it."

That's a damn lie and he knows it. Which of the following occurred in my ward/stake during Prop 8:

The bishop spoke from the pulpit on the importance of Prop 8.

The stake president spoke from the pulpit on the importance of Prop 8 (while at the same time saying that no one would be asked how they voted when getting a TR).

A special video broadcast of church leaders (above the stake level) talking about the importance of Prop 8.

Organization of the members to make phone calls on behalf of Prop 8.

Organization of the members to go door to door with information supportive of Prop 8 (although for this activity we curiously did not meet at the church, we met at a park even though 100% of the participants were members of the ward).

All of them.

[_Fence Sitter]

Comparing those Church members that participated in getting Prop 8 passed in California to Medal of Honor recipients is an insult to those who have earned that medal.

[_TrashcanMan79]

In case anyone wonders what happens when this subject is raised at yonder MADhouse....

http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/59621-did-elder-wickman-just-lie-about-prop-8-and-the-churchs-involvement/

[_lance peters]

In case anyone wonders what happens when this subject is raised at yonder MADhouse....

http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/59621-did-elder-wickman-just-lie-about-prop-8-and-the-churchs-involvement/

and I quote:

"I am almost speechless. Do not use this board to call anyone's church leaders liars!"

[_palerobber]

AP 10/9/2008:

Two members of the church's second-highest governing body, the Quorum of Twelve Apostles, quoted from Mormon scripture on the sanctity of marriage as they laid out a week-by-week strategy for boosting Mormon involvement before the Nov. 4 election in voter registration efforts, phone banks and distributing campaign materials.

“What we're about is the work of the Lord, and He will bless you for your involvement,” apostle M. Russell Ballard said during the hour-long meeting, which was broadcast to church buildings in California, Utah, Hawaii and Idaho.

[...]

During Wednesday's taped satellite broadcast, church leaders asked for 30 members from each California congregation to donate four hours a week to the campaign. They also called on young married couples and single Mormons to use the Internet, text messaging, blogging and other forms of computer technology to help pass the initiative, saying the church has created a new Web site — PreservingMarriage.org — with materials they can download and post on their own social networking sites.

Church elder L. Whitney Clayton, who has been working as a liaison between the LDS leaders and the Proposition 8 campaign, said before the event that it was meant to energize Mormons for the weeks remaining before Election Day.

[...]

clearly this was just a grassroots thing driven from the bottom up by members.

church HQ just laid out correct principles (along side a massive political campaign infrastructure and a 100,000+ hour per week volunteering quota) and then let the members decide for themselves what they ought to do.

[_moksha]

So what is a little history alteration when you are doing it for the Lord?

As far as MD&D is concerned, even flights from truth must be defended. It's how they roll. Would you expect them to abrogate their duty?

[_sock puppet]

So what is a little history alteration when you are doing it for the Lord?

As far as MD&D is concerned, even flights from truth must be defended. It's how they roll. Would you expect them to abrogate their duty?

So what is a little history alteration when you are ... Mormon, part of a movement for which revisionist history is the sine qua non.

[_lance peters]

I'd like to hear some responses from Droopy, ldsfaqs, and bcspace on this one.

[_TrashcanMan79]

Contrary to what some may think, it was the members, not the church.

That must be why the members were fined for tardy financial reports during Prop 8.