Posting 95 LDS Theses on the Church Doors

[_KevinSim]

Why do anti-mormons think that "their" version of the facts and truth are the actual facts and truth?

If their version of things was the actual truth, those of us very familiar with the issues, who do in fact have honor and character, wouldn't be Mormons.

Why do you think your interpretation of the facts and truth are the actual facts and truth? If your version was the actual truth -- in this case, that the anti-Mormon version is just an opinion and not fact -- then those of us very familiar with the issues, such as myself, who are mightily infused with honor and character, wouldn't be anti-Mormons anymore. So why don't Mopologists move on and go back to Sunday School? We agree to disagree!

All I can gather from this exchange is that Ldsfaqs is convinced that he knows the relevant facts on the issues, while Gadianton is convinced that instead he knows them. How in the world does someone like me determine which is right?

If a policeman suspects someone of committing a crime, the powers that be in this nation respect this suspect's rights so much that it puts on a formal trial, where the suspect has the opportunity to have a competent expert defend him in a court against the charges of the prosecutor. This system may not be perfect, but it seems to me that those powers have gone way out of their way to do as much as they can to insure that the suspect gets a fair trial.

If conscientious society is really committed to getting to the bottom of which of Ldsfaqs' facts or Gadianton's facts are closer to the truth, that society will work just as hard to give those competing viewpoints just the same kind of fair trial. Some posters have said that this Terrestrial forum is precisely that, an opportunity for the competing viewpoints to get a fair trial. But there's not enough at stake here to attract the heavy hitters from either side, either the serious LDS apologists or the serious critics. If instead of the, somewhat limited, membership who reads this forum, we could get a group two or three orders of magnitude larger, that serves perhaps as the jury of such a trial, then that would significantly raise the probability that those heavey hitters would weigh in, and we could really get the fair trial this dispute needs.

[_RockSlider]

I agree with others that this is a futile attempt. The church never changes due to protests of members or the general public.

I would suggest that all changes to the temple ordinances since the 1990's were all based on member (new member) reactions.

Also the softened stance on gays

[_KevinSim]

Also the softened stance on gays

Whatever caused it, I for one am very glad the Church softened that stance.

[_Tchild]

What do you all think of this modern-day LDS Martin Luther?

http://mormonreformation.blogspot.com/

I think that if a person were to go with a few good friends to a nice micro-brewery-restuarant and talk and laugh while enjoying some good food and beer, that you would have done more to live and enjoy life than anything this protest will ever accomplish.

Leave Mormonism alone!

[_thews]

Just another anti-mormon tomb....

Why do anti-mormons think that "their" version of the facts and truth are the actual facts and truth?

If their version of things was the actual truth, those of us very familiar with the issues, who do in fact have honor and character, wouldn't be Mormons.

So, why don't Anti-Mormons move on and have their OWN lives? We agree to disagree!

Name one issue that isn't factually based... just one.

[_Tobin]

I looked through this list of issues and I agree with KevinSim that it is too long. I'd also point out that most of the issues are based on either the view that the Book of Mormon is not inspired and/or Joseph Smith was a fraud as well. These are hardly things that most Mormons would seriously consider and there is simply no common ground upon which to have a serious discussion. It is simply a joke. It would have been much better to create a list of 4 or 5 strong arguments that demonstrate a need for reform and not post of laundry list of issues that most Mormons would reject out-of-hand.

[_thews]

I looked through this list of issues and I agree with KevinSim that it is too long. I'd also point out that most of the issues are based on either the view that the Book of Mormon is not inspired and/or Joseph Smith was a fraud as well. These are hardly things that most Mormons would seriously consider and there is simply no common ground upon which to have a serious discussion. It is simply a joke. It would have been much better to create a list of 4 or 5 strong arguments that demonstrate a need for reform and not post of laundry list of issues that most Mormons would reject out-of-hand.

You are being intentionally vague. Name one you disagree with... just one. You have 95 choices... pick one and make a point.

[_Aristotle Smith]

I looked through this list of issues and I agree with KevinSim that it is too long. I'd also point out that most of the issues are based on either the view that the Book of Mormon is not inspired and/or Joseph Smith was a fraud as well. These are hardly things that most Mormons would seriously consider and there is simply no common ground upon which to have a serious discussion. It is simply a joke. It would have been much better to create a list of 4 or 5 strong arguments that demonstrate a need for reform and not post of laundry list of issues that most Mormons would reject out-of-hand.

Have you ever read the original 95 theses? They were also remarkably repetitive and mostly focused on Catholic notions of penance and indulgences. Martin Luther sure was an idiot!

[_Equality]

I looked through this list of issues and I agree with KevinSim that it is too long. I'd also point out that most of the issues are based on either the view that the Book of Mormon is not inspired and/or Joseph Smith was a fraud as well. These are hardly things that most Mormons would seriously consider and there is simply no common ground upon which to have a serious discussion. It is simply a joke. It would have been much better to create a list of 4 or 5 strong arguments that demonstrate a need for reform and not post of laundry list of issues that most Mormons would reject out-of-hand.

Have you ever read the original 95 theses? They were also remarkably repetitive and mostly focused on Catholic notions of penance and indulgences. Martin Luther sure was an idiot!

Right? Luther was just wasting his time. There was no way Rome would ever change. That's why the Catholic Church still sells indulgences.

[Guest]

I looked through this list of issues and I agree with KevinSim that it is too long. I'd also point out that most of the issues are based on either the view that the Book of Mormon is not inspired and/or Joseph Smith was a fraud as well. These are hardly things that most Mormons would seriously consider and there is simply no common ground upon which to have a serious discussion. It is simply a joke. It would have been much better to create a list of 4 or 5 strong arguments that demonstrate a need for reform and not post of laundry list of issues that most Mormons would reject out-of-hand.

Have you ever read the original 95 theses? They were also remarkably repetitive and mostly focused on Catholic notions of penance and indulgences. Martin Luther sure was an idiot!

I can't take that seriously. If Martin Luther had posted a 95 theses stating the Bible was not inspired and the Jesus Christ was a fraud, I'm sure what he had to say would have been discounted as much as this list needs to be.