MI employee replies to DCP's rumorspreading over at MDDB

[_RockSlider]

two men I admire straining at gnats, enough already

[_Bazooka]

Hell hath no fury like an apologist scorned...

[_why me]

We will all be much more smarter about the situation in a year or two from now. At the moment it is all speculation. MI does have a future with its journal if it is done correctly. But...whether it has a future is another matter.

[Guest]

two men I admire straining at gnats, enough already

Good suggestion.

(Whew.)

[_Bazooka]

MI does have a future with its journal if it is done correctly. But...whether it has a future is another matter.

Wait...what?

[_Kishkumen]

Your comment about what might be "in the pipeline" is irrelevant.

It probably is, but for reasons other than those that you give.

The issue here is Griffin's statement that MI was sitting on 27 BOOK manuscripts that had been "accepted for publication".

As I stated upthread, if you have evidence that I am mistaken and that, as Griffin claims, MI has 27 BOOK manuscripts stacked up and ready to send to production, I would be glad to re-consider my comments.

Listen, I don't care what you believe. So far your comments have been based perhaps 20% on your academic experience, and 80% on your bias against Mormonism and Mormon scholars. You don't know Griffin, yet you immediately load all of your LDS stereotypes on him. In your view he's either deceiving or he's an enthusiastic rube whose keyboard has gotten away with him.

The difference between the two of us is that I actually associated with Carl Griffin for years and if there is something I know about him it is this:

Carl Griffin is extremely careful and methodical. I watched him for years as he wrote papers, prepared for PhD exams, etc. He is simply not the kind of person to jump out and blurt out things clumsily. That's not Carl.

I doubt he would have posted what he posted had not Daniel & Co. been saying some horribly misleading crap about MI. Indeed, it is obvious that this is the reason he did so. Also, I would bet he checked his statement with his boss. Again, because he is careful, he has not gone around running his mouth off about this and that. He values his job, and he is not arrogant. His boss was a managing editor for Fortress Press. So, you see, one cannot assume that because this is Provo we are dealing with small-time rubes who don't know their business and thus pop off saying outrageous things.

Apparently Bill Hamblin, a faithful LDS apologist whose expression of doubt in Griffin's statement appeared on this thread after mine did, would also be interested in such evidence.

I hope you weren't writing this with a straight face. That is sheer sophistry and you know it. On any other issue you wouldn't hold his view as worth a handful of spit. That you rely on him now tells me all I need to know about your position.

[Guest]

Your comment about what might be "in the pipeline" is irrelevant.

It probably is, but for reasons other than those that you give.

The issue here is Griffin's statement that MI was sitting on 27 BOOK manuscripts that had been "accepted for publication".

As I stated upthread, if you have evidence that I am mistaken and that, as Griffin claims, MI has 27 BOOK manuscripts stacked up and ready to send to production, I would be glad to re-consider my comments.

Listen, I don't care what you believe. So far your comments have been based perhaps 20% on your academic experience, and 80% on your bias against Mormonism and Mormon scholars. You don't know Griffin, yet you immediately load all of your LDS stereotypes on him. In your view he's either deceiving or he's an enthusiastic rube whose keyboard has gotten away with him.

The difference between the two of us is that I actually associated with Carl Griffin for years and if there is something I know about him it is this:

Carl Griffin is extremely careful and methodical. I watched him for years as he wrote papers, prepared for PhD exams, etc. He is simply not the kind of person to jump out and blurt out things clumsily. That's not Carl.

I doubt he would have posted what he posted had not Daniel & Co. been saying some horribly misleading crap about MI. Indeed, it is obvious that this is the reason he did so. Also, I would bet he checked his statement with his boss. Again, because he is careful, he has not gone around running his mouth off about this and that. He values his job, and he is not arrogant. His boss was a managing editor for Fortress Press. So, you see, one cannot assume that because this is Provo we are dealing with small-time rubes who don't know their business and thus pop off saying outrageous things.

Apparently Bill Hamblin, a faithful LDS apologist whose expression of doubt in Griffin's statement appeared on this thread after mine did, would also be interested in such evidence.

I hope you weren't writing this with a straight face. That is sheer sophistry and you know it. On any other issue you wouldn't hold his view as worth a handful of spit. That you rely on him now tells me all I need to know about your position.

Kish,

I understand that you feel a need to defend your friend, and I have stated that I am sure he is a very nice guy. And you are right, I do have a bias (more specifically, a learned response) against Mormon "scholars".

In any case, a board moderator has asked us to let this die. I agreed to do so upthread, and since it seems important to you, I am happy to let you have had the last word in the matter.

[_Kishkumen]

Kish,

I understand that you feel a need to defend your friend, and I have stated that I am sure he is a very nice guy.

A board moderator has asked us to let this die. I agreed to do so upthread, and since it seems important to you, I am glad to let you have had the last word in the matter.

Yes. Fine. A fellow with a PhD in Patristics from Catholic University of America who has published work in a major scholarly journal is "a nice guy."

Good grief.

Aside from the fact that the guy was my friend, the truth is also important to me. But I certainly can't force you to take his PhD, publication, or the expertise of his boss as someone who worked for one of the largest publishers in Christian scholarship seriously.

Bill Hamblin and Daniel Peterson's sour grapes surely have more evidentiary value.

Signing off.

[_Yoda]

Kish,

I understand that you feel a need to defend your friend, and I have stated that I am sure he is a very nice guy.

A board moderator has asked us to let this die. I agreed to do so upthread, and since it seems important to you, I am glad to let you have had the last word in the matter.

Yes. Fine. A fellow with a PhD in Patristics from Catholic University of America who has published work in a major scholarly journal is "a nice guy."

Good grief.

Aside from the fact that the guy was my friend, the truth is also important to me. But I certainly can't force you to take his PhD, publication, or the expertise of his boss as someone who worked for one of the largest publishers in Christian scholarship seriously.

Bill Hamblin and Daniel Peterson's sour grapes surely have more evidentiary value.

Signing off.

Not that it probably matters to you, Kish, but I have to side with you on this one.

If Griffin was stating facts as a representative of MI, his job would be in jeopardy if he fudged numbers. There is no reason to question his statement.

[_lostindc]

no surprise, the OMIDs have finally forced NAMIRS to fire back. DCP et al. have been patted on the back by fanboys for an excessive amount of time. The idolotry worship of the OMIDs has given the OMIDs an inflated sense of worth. The OMIDs are really little more than a footnote and this destroys the OMIDs self-worth.

One major takeway from the MI employee posting is, as I mentioned before, the OMIDs have no friends within the current MI and it appears the OMIDs are completely cut off from any involvement within the MI. What an amazing turn of events.