NAMIRS increased publishing output

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NAMIRS increased publishing output

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In the interests of addressing the skepticism regarding Carl Griffin's claim that the output of the NAMIRS press will increase greatly, I am posting the following:

NAMIRS website wrote:We are pleased to announce that we have recently hired Joseph Bonyata as our director of publication production. Joe started his career in book publishing at Fortress Press in Minneapolis, a leading publisher in biblical studies and theology. As managing editor at Fortress, Joe was responsible for over 60 new titles a year and oversaw the digital publication of the 55 volumes of Martin Luther’s Works, as well as a new translation of the foundational book of Lutheranism, The Book of Concord. Joe also headed the team that initially developed fortresspress.com. After Fortress, he published books on “planes, trains, and automobiles” at MBI Publishing in Minneapolis. Joe then served as director of editorial production for the New York trade publisher Perseus Books Group, overseeing the publication of over 200 new book titles a year.


If you don't think this fellow is capable of developing a new structure that will greatly increase the output of NAMIRS' publishing, I don't know what to say to you. You are simply arguing against the best evidence.

For the original release, see this page.
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Kish,

I assume that you posted this for my benefit. Early on the other thread, I stated that if you had evidence that MI had 27 books accepted for publication (in that they are ready to go to production), I would reconsider my comments.

This is certainly evidence that MI intends to increase their publication rate. It is not evidence that they have 27 book manuscripts ready to go into production.

If the Joseph Bonyata was responsible for publication of more than 60 titles a year in his former position, 27 books a year in his new position should be no problem.

Let's wait and see.

If MI has 27 new book titles published by February 11, 2014, I will think of some appropriately humiliating act to perform for you to acknowledge my stupidity.
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DrW wrote:If MI has 27 new book titles published by February 11, 2014, I will think of some appropriately humiliating act to perform for you to acknowledge my stupidity.


Participate in Church attendance for a month... :surprised:
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DrW wrote:Kish,

I assume that you posted this for my benefit. Early on the other thread, I stated that if you had evidence that MI had 27 books accepted for publication (in that they ready to go to production), I would reconsider my comments.

This is certainly evidence that MI intends to increase their publication rate. It is not evidence that they have 27 book manuscripts ready to go into production.

If the Joseph Bonyata was responsible for publication of more than 60 titles a year in his former position, 27 books a year in his new position should be no problem.

Let's wait and see.

If MI has 27 new book titles published by February 11, 2014, I will think of some appropriately humiliating act to perform for you to acknowledge my stupidity.


I consider Griffin's comments evidence that they have 27 manuscripts accepted for publication. The only reason to doubt him, in my view, is that someone believes, without any good reason, that Griffin is either lying or does not know what he is talking about. Unless there is some reason to think either of those things, and I don't believe there is, I would say that overall it looks like he is telling the truth.

Will we know for absolute certain before those 27 titles come out? No. But I bet that most everyone will have forgotten and stopped caring about this when the hard evidence is around to confirm his report.

What intrigues me is the motivation to disbelieve what Griffin says. I understand why Peterson and Hamblin disbelieve it. They do so because under the Peterson model everything was done in house. He took Alison Coutts with him to continue doing things that way. A lot of publishers these days do not handle their publishing like that. Many things are outsourced to other companies, allowing them to increase their output. This is most likely what NAMIRS is now doing.

So, I understand why Peterson and Hamblin are confused. Other than that, I don't see much reason to disbelieve Griffin. I think it is clear that NAMIRS has changed publishing models and is now outsourcing elements of the business, thus allowing them to increase production dramatically. This makes sense given the fact that they have the METI series, which on its own could account for a number of those 27 volumes to which Griffin refers.
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Bazooka wrote:
DrW wrote:If MI has 27 new book titles published by February 11, 2014, I will think of some appropriately humiliating act to perform for you to acknowledge my stupidity.


Participate in Church attendance for a month... :surprised:


Okay now - that's just mean. :smile:
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DrW wrote:If MI has 27 new book titles published by February 11, 2014, I will think of some appropriately humiliating act to perform for you to acknowledge my stupidity.


Participate in Church attendance for a month... :surprised:


Dr.with wrote:Okay now - that's just mean. :smile:


I volunteer to film the event on my iPad.

:lol:
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liz3564 wrote:
DrW wrote:If MI has 27 new book titles published by February 11, 2014, I will think of some appropriately humiliating act to perform for you to acknowledge my stupidity.


Participate in Church attendance for a month... :surprised:


Dr.with wrote:Okay now - that's just mean. :smile:


I volunteer to film the event on my iPad.

:lol:

I'll bet you would like that, wouldn't you?
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Oh Goody, More Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, Twilight Series and other fictional stories are a coming.
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Kishkumen wrote:
DrW wrote:If MI has 27 new book titles published by February 11, 2014, I will think of some appropriately humiliating act to perform for you to acknowledge my stupidity.


I consider Griffin's comments evidence that they have 27 manuscripts accepted for publication. The only reason to doubt him, in my view, is that someone believes, without any good reason, that Griffin is either lying or does not know what he is talking about.


Without wishing to place myself in the middle of you two heavyweights (not a comment on your physiques)...

I suppose it depends on what Carl means when he says "27 manuscripts accepted for publication".
On another thread I have seen a comment by another heavyweight, DCP, stating that 27 books represents the equivalent to 10 - 12 years worth of MI publishing thus far.

So does Carl mean they already have enough titles to last the next 10/12 years

or is it a statement that the MI intends to massively increase output?

Kish, assuming you accept my summary of the situation, which do you think it is?
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