The Dresden Treatment

[_Res Ipsa]

Sometimes things affect me in very unexpected ways. For some reason, William Schryver's comment about giving the "Dresden Treatment" to Palmer and Metcalfe's books really set me off tonight. It's not like I know any of the LDS apologists or their targets. It was something about the images of the Dresden bombing, the destruction that was done, and the horrible loss of life being used so smugly that got to me.

I spent a couple of hours writing a full on flaming rant to post in Telestial. As rants go, it was pretty epic. You'll have to take my word for it -- as is wise with most rants, I pitched it into the trash bin once I got it out of my system.

Maybe it's because Dresden is a pretty good metaphor for what Schryver and his buddies to the people they decide to label as "enemies." And it seems so wrong that people who describe themselves as followers of Jesus would act the way they do. I mean, who would Jesus firebomb?

Did this bother anyone else?

[_Bazooka]

13. We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul-We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

I'm assuming Will Schryver doesn't hold a Temple Recommend...

[_RockSlider]

Sometimes things affect me in very unexpected ways. For some reason, William Schryver's comment about giving the "Dresden Treatment" to Palmer and Metcalfe's books really set me off tonight. It's not like I know any of the LDS apologists or their targets. It was something about the images of the Dresden bombing, the destruction that was done, and the horrible loss of life being used so smugly that got to me.

I spent a couple of hours writing a full on flaming rant to post in Telestial. As rants go, it was pretty epic. You'll have to take my word for it -- as is wise with most rants, I pitched it into the trash bin once I got it out of my system.

Maybe it's because Dresden is a pretty good metaphor for what Schryver and his buddies to the people they decide to label as "enemies." And it seems so wrong that people who describe themselves as followers of Jesus would act the way they do. I mean, who would Jesus firebomb?

Did this bother anyone else?

Not sure how long you may have followed Will. A couple of years back he started using the term "fifth columnist" which I believe is also a world war II concept.

Make no mistake about it, this is out right war for Will. Will has claimed on MDB that he has his Calling and Election sure and that he has a special gift for sniffy out the wolfs. It seems he has done a self "calling" to this end.

I've not seen Will use this term for sometime. At one point it seemed to migrate to him calling for a witch hunt of "wolf's in sheep's clothing". He has shown no concern for friendly fire, accusing the likes of David B. and Blair H. on being fifth columnist. This latest fiasco only solidifies that he still thinks this way.

[_Res Ipsa]

I've read some of his past postings here. I read Ms. Jack's long thread about his treatment of women and the fallout from that. Sounds like he's setting himself up for a hard fall.

[_RockSlider]

I've read some of his past postings here. I read Ms. Jack's long thread about his treatment of women and the fallout from that. Sounds like he's setting himself up for a hard fall.

Remember his calling and election is sure, and he feels called to this war ... what spilling innocent blood and denying the HG is all he has to fear.

[_robuchan]

They applied the Dresden Treatment to their own careers.

[Guest]

Sometimes things affect me in very unexpected ways. For some reason, William Schryver's comment about giving the "Dresden Treatment" to Palmer and Metcalfe's books really set me off tonight. It's not like I know any of the LDS apologists or their targets. It was something about the images of the Dresden bombing, the destruction that was done, and the horrible loss of life being used so smugly that got to me.

I spent a couple of hours writing a full on flaming rant to post in Telestial. As rants go, it was pretty epic. You'll have to take my word for it -- as is wise with most rants, I pitched it into the trash bin once I got it out of my system.

Maybe it's because Dresden is a pretty good metaphor for what Schryver and his buddies to the people they decide to label as "enemies." And it seems so wrong that people who describe themselves as followers of Jesus would act the way they do. I mean, who would Jesus firebomb?

Did this bother anyone else?

Yes.

When there are common expressions to describe a hard line approach to conflict, such as "scorched earth" or "take no prisoners", using the the Dresden bombing as a metaphor is in very poor taste.

Turns out that today, February 14, is the 68th anniversary of the British night time component of the attack on Dresden in 1945. According to British accounts, some 2,600 tons of high explosive and incendiary ordinance were dropped on the city by British Lancasters at night and American B-17s by day with the express intent of degrading the will of the German population to continue the fight, and aiding in the Russian advance from the east.

The inclusion if more than 600,000 incendiaries in the bomb loads caused structures that were not hit by the high explosives to burn anyway. Contents of the masonry buildings breached by the high explosives were also ignited and continued to burn. The high winds generated by in rushing air to fires, and the uplift of hot gases, caused a firestorm that made the destruction complete.

Fires could be seen by the retreating Lancaster crews for hundreds of miles from the target. Estimates of the civilian dead range up to 100,000.

Dresden was widely seen as a grave overreach by the individual who ordered it, British Air Marshal Sir Arthur Harris. When the extent of the damage and loss of civilian life became evident, Winston Churchill tried to distance himself from the decision.

Insensitive as it is, Schryver's use of "The Dresden Treatment" as a metaphor actually fits in some ways.

Both actions were ill considered and taken by frustrated individuals who feared that they might be losing.

Both caused damage far beyond what (one would hope) was originally intended.

In the case of Dresden, these actions made eventual reconciliation of the combatants difficult or impossible.

With Dresden, as with the bombing by the Germans of civilians in London, several generations had to pass before the wounds would fade from the collective memory enough to allow any real reconciliation.

It is interesting to note that the ill considered German decision to shift their bomb attacks from RAF targets to London may well have cost Germany the war. Many historians now agree that, had the Germans kept the pressure on the RAF for a few more weeks, or even days, the British would not have had the air assets needed to win the Battle of Britain.

Unfortunately for Schryver, Peterson, Hamblin & Co, their quest had no chance of success in the first place.

[_Bazooka]

Maybe it's because Dresden is a pretty good metaphor for what Schryver and his buddies to the people they decide to label as "enemies." And it seems so wrong that people who describe themselves as followers of Jesus would act the way they do. I mean, who would Jesus firebomb?

When Jesus Christ comes again to the earth, He will do the following things:

1. He will cleanse the earth. When Jesus comes again, He will come in power and great glory. At that time the wicked will be destroyed. All things that are corrupt will be burned, and the earth will be cleansed by fire (see D&C 101:24–25).

Gospel Principles Chapter 44 'The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ'

[_DrW]

When Jesus Christ comes again to the earth, He will do the following things:

1. He will cleanse the earth. When Jesus comes again, He will come in power and great glory. At that time the wicked will be destroyed. All things that are corrupt will be burned, and the earth will be cleansed by fire (see D&C 101:24–25).

Gospel Principles Chapter 44 'The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ'

^ Great post. ^

[_Kishkumen]

Sometimes things affect me in very unexpected ways. For some reason, William Schryver's comment about giving the "Dresden Treatment" to Palmer and Metcalfe's books really set me off tonight. It's not like I know any of the LDS apologists or their targets. It was something about the images of the Dresden bombing, the destruction that was done, and the horrible loss of life being used so smugly that got to me.

I spent a couple of hours writing a full on flaming rant to post in Telestial. As rants go, it was pretty epic. You'll have to take my word for it -- as is wise with most rants, I pitched it into the trash bin once I got it out of my system.

Maybe it's because Dresden is a pretty good metaphor for what Schryver and his buddies to the people they decide to label as "enemies." And it seems so wrong that people who describe themselves as followers of Jesus would act the way they do. I mean, who would Jesus firebomb?

Did this bother anyone else?

I have a WWII metaphor for Will Schryver: Fascist thug.

As in, Will Schryver expresses his thoughts on MDDB as though he were a fascist thug.