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[_tapirrider]

The Adamites had been on the planet for thousands of years by that point in time and despite what you believe, human beings are surprisingly mobile creatures.

Look at the chronology published by your church. It was NOT "thousands of years". Read it. It was less than 1,000 years from Adam.
http://www.lds.org/gospellibrary/materi ... ne_000.pdf

Were the Adamites so mobile that they got across the ocean to Mesopotamia too before the flood?

This temple in Turkey was more than 5,000 years before Adam. How did "Adamites" get there before they existed?
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2011/ ... /mann-text

I don't see why the Peru temple has to have anything to do with "Adamites".

[_Tobin]

Look at the chronology published by your church. It was NOT "thousands of years". Read it. It was less than 1,000 years from Adam.
http://www.lds.org/gospellibrary/materi ... ne_000.pdf

Even if I bought this timeline, which I don't, so what? That is plenty of time. Remember the US isn't even 250 years old and people crossed it on foot (thousands of miles) and settled on both coasts over a hundred years ago.

Were the Adamites so mobile that they got across the ocean to Mesopotamia too before the flood?
This temple in Turkey was more than 5,000 before Adam. How did "Adamites" get there before they existed?
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2011/ ... /mann-text

Again, so what? I see nothing that has to do with altars or burnt offerings in this material. Citing sources that don't support the main topic is just a standard deceit and practice by Mormon critics, such as yourself, when they have nothing to back up their primary claims.

I don't see why the Peru temple has to have anything to do with "Adamites".

And this is just another deceit of a Mormon critic. When all else fails, just deny the plausible explanation and go with - "I don't understand the answer". People like you make me laugh.

[_tapirrider]

People like you make me laugh.

Did people walk from Lima Peru back to Daviess County Missouri to gather with Adam before he died?

D&C 107:53 Three years previous to the death of Adam, he called Seth, Enos, Cainan, Mahalaleel, Jared, Enoch, and Methuselah, who were all high priests, with the residue of his posterity who were righteous, into the valley of Adam-ondi-Ahman, and there bestowed upon them his last blessing.

That is a greater walk than even Moroni made to carry the plates from Meso-America to New York!

[_Tobin]

People like you make me laugh.

Did people walk from Lima Peru back to Daviess County Missouri to gather with Adam before he died?

D&C 107:53 Three years previous to the death of Adam, he called Seth, Enos, Cainan, Mahalaleel, Jared, Enoch, and Methuselah, who were all high priests, with the residue of his posterity who were righteous, into the valley of Adam-ondi-Ahman, and there bestowed upon them his last blessing.

That is a greater walk than even Moroni made to carry the plates from Meso-America to New York!

I don't see anything in the OP that states Seth, Enos, Cainan, Mahalaleel, Jared, Enoch, and Methuselah were present at the Peru site. Do you?

[_tapirrider]

I don't see anything in the OP that states Seth, Enos, Cainan, Mahalaleel, Jared, Enoch, and Methuselah were present at the Peru site. Do you?

I didn't say they were at the Peru site. Read what I quoted from the D&C before spouting off. The righteous posterity of Adam gathered in Missouri before his death. Now Tobin, if they were not righteous they should have been killed later in Noah's flood. The apologist argument of a limited flood and the ark sailing down the Mississippi river doesn't account for Adam's posterity being in Lima Peru.

I find it insulting when Mormons try to assign "Adamites" or Jaradites or Lehi's people to things in America that have nothing to do with those fictional people. Can't you just accept that humans do things without having to be associated with your canonized scriptures?

[_Tobin]

I don't see anything in the OP that states Seth, Enos, Cainan, Mahalaleel, Jared, Enoch, and Methuselah were present at the Peru site. Do you?

I didn't say they were at the Peru site. Read what I quoted from the D&C before spouting off. The righteous posterity of Adam gathered in Missouri before his death. Now Tobin, if they were not righteous they should have been killed later in Noah's flood. The apologist argument of a limited flood and the ark sailing down the Mississippi river doesn't account for Adam's posterity being in Lima Peru.

I find it insulting when Mormons try to assign "Adamites" or Jaradites or Lehi's people to things in America that have nothing to do with those fictional people. Can't you just accept that humans do things without having to be associated with your canonized scriptures?

Again, you are just making a series of absurd assumptions here to support your criticism. As I've already pointed out, none of the people YOU CITED are mentioned in the OP. It would also be preposterous to assume that people living thousands of miles away and not in the immediate vicinity of Adam would have been present for the events described by you (or even been made aware of them). Next you'll be proposing that they had telephones and the internet. But if that is the case, they got on a plane and flew there.

Basically, I have answered you about how such a thing is very plausible under Mormon theology. All you have done is run around citing irrelevant materials and making absurd assertions that have nothing to do with the OP.

[_tapirrider]

Again, you are just making a series of absurd assumptions here to support your criticism. As I've already pointed out, none of the people YOU CITED are mentioned in the OP. It would also be preposterous to assume that people living thousands of miles away and not in the immediate vicinity of Adam would have been present for the events described by you (or even been made aware of them). Next you'll be proposing that they had telephones and the internet. But if that is the case, they got on a plane and flew there.

Basically, I have answered you about how such a thing is very plausible under Mormon theology. All you have done is run around citing irrelevant materials and making absurd assertions that have nothing to do with the OP.

D&C 107:53 Three years previous to the death of Adam, he called Seth, Enos, Cainan, Mahalaleel, Jared, Enoch, and Methuselah, who were all high priests, with the residue of his posterity who were righteous, into the valley of Adam-ondi-Ahman, and there bestowed upon them his last blessing.

If they weren't there they were not righteous and they would have been destroyed in the flood but that did not happen. The pre-Incan people existed uninterrupted.

What you have done is disregarded an official LDS publication on a chronology. I suppose you disregard D&C 77:10? Why can't you simply accept that people did things without being "Adamites"? That temple doesn't have to have anything at all to do with Judeo-Christian scriptures. What you call "irrelevant materials" included the Göbekli Tepe article about human worship long before Adam and Eve and before agriculture or "civilization". Why can't you accept that the Lima Peru temple was like that? It doesn't have to have anything to do with "adamites".

[_Tobin]

D&C 107:53 Three years previous to the death of Adam, he called Seth, Enos, Cainan, Mahalaleel, Jared, Enoch, and Methuselah, who were all high priests, with the residue of his posterity who were righteous, into the valley of Adam-ondi-Ahman, and there bestowed upon them his last blessing.

If they weren't there they were not righteous and they would have been destroyed in the flood but that did not happen. The pre-Incan people existed uninterrupted.

What you have done is disregarded an official LDS publication on a chronology. I suppose you disregard D&C 77:10? Why can't you simply accept that people did things without being "Adamites"? That temple doesn't have to have anything at all to do with Judeo-Christian scriptures. What you call "irrelevant materials" included the Göbekli Tepe article about human worship long before Adam and Eve and before agriculture or "civilization". Why can't you accept that the Lima Peru temple was like that? It doesn't have to have anything to do with "adamites".

Earth to tarprrider. I've told you EXACTLY how preposterous your assertions are. Repeating them does not make them any less so. I've stated, despite your bizarre understanding otherwise, that altars and burnt offerings did not originate with Noah, the Jaredites or Abraham. I've pointed out it originated with Adam. After that you brought up a temple that has nothing what-so-ever to do with altars and the burnt offerings in Peru. And you've cited a bunch of people that are not placed at the location in Peru

OR

you've stated that the people in Peru would not have been present at the blessing by Adam (DUH?!? like that should not be obvious). That does not mean they were not Adamites. Your proposition is they weren't worthy and other such non-sense since they weren't present when Adam blessed the prophets. WHO CARES!?!? And what does that have to do with altars and burnt offerings, as taught to and practiced by Adamites? I don't know the worthiness of the people that lived in Peru and don't see what it matters.

[_Sethbag]

I don't see why Mormons need to answer you. You clearly don't understand Mormon theology very well. The practice of building an altar and offering burnt offerings started with Adam, not Abraham, Noah or the Jaredites.

Lima Peru is about 3,700 miles away from Daviess County Missouri, where Mormons believe Adam was living when that temple was in use. How did Adam's people get that far away so quickly? Why does it even need to be assumed that the temple had anything to do with Adam?

Isn't Adam supposed to have lived like 900 years or something? That's a lot of time to get around, I suppose. ;-)

[_tapirrider]

Earth to tarprrider. I've told you EXACTLY how preposterous your assertions are. Repeating them does not make them any less so. I've stated, despite your bizarre understanding otherwise, that altars and burnt offerings did not originate with Noah, the Jaredites or Abraham. I've pointed out it originated with Adam. After that you brought up a temple that has nothing what-so-ever to do with altars and the burnt offerings in Peru. And you've cited a bunch of people that are not placed at the location in Peru

OR

you've stated that the people in Peru would not have been present at the blessing by Adam (DUH?!? like that should not be obvious). That does not mean they were not Adamites. Your proposition is they weren't worthy and other such non-sense since they weren't present when Adam blessed the prophets. WHO CARES!?!? And what does that have to do with altars and burnt offerings, as taught to and practiced by Adamites? I don't know the worthiness of the people that lived in Peru and don't see what it matters.

You have a tendency to be rude, don't you?

Why does it even need to be assumed that the temple had anything to do with Adam? Why can't you accept that the Lima Peru temple doesn't have to have anything at all to do with fantasy "adamites"? That is what is wrong with Mormonism's pseudo history. You see burnt offerings and immediately say it had to have come from Adam. NO, it does not have to have anything to do with a fictional person or a make believe God from the Near East.

I find it incredible that Mormons are so quick to explain the DNA problems of the Book of Mormon by saying that people who were not from Adam and Eve make the vast gene pool that "hides" any markers from the Near East. But at the same time, why can't Mormons accept that these people from Paleo-Indians were human too and developed their own religous beliefs including burnt offerings that had nothing to do with Adam. Tobin, can you at least admit the possibility that those burnt offerings had nothing to do with "adamites"?

This discussion with you is as absurd as arguing that ancient astronauts made the Nazca geometric figures and lines.