The Jews were here, The Jews were here (link)

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tapirrider wrote:Tobin, can you at least admit the possibility that those burnt offerings had nothing to do with "adamites"?
Of course not, there is no necessary connection as far as I can see.

I wasn't the one that brought up Noah, Abraham, or the Jaredites if you'll remember. I just noted they could have been Adamites, which under Mormonism is perfectly plausible too.
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Tobin wrote:
tapirrider wrote:Tobin, can you at least admit the possibility that those burnt offerings had nothing to do with "adamites"?
Of course not, there is no necessary connection as far as I can see.

I wasn't the one that brought up Noah, Abraham, or the Jaredites if you'll remember. I just noted they could have been Adamites, which under Mormonism is perfectly plausible too.


Tobin what are you trying to say? I asked if you could admit that those burnt offerings had nothing to do with Adamites. Your answer "Of course not" makes no sense. You cannot admit it? Then you say the opposite: "there is no necessary connection". Which part of what you said is your answer? Please re-answer my question in an intelligble manner.

You also said "despite your bizarre understanding otherwise, that altars and burnt offerings did not originate with Noah, the Jaredites or Abraham. I've pointed out it originated with Adam."

You have not shown me that it originated with Adam, other than saying it did. The first mention of burnt offerings in the Bible is with Noah in Genesis 8:20. There is no Biblical record that Adam or Cain or Able's offerings were "burnt".

Also, I still cannot see how it is plausible under Mormonism without disregarding the flood killing unrighteous "adamites" in Lima Peru which did not happen. And you seem to have disregarded the official LDS published chronology and D&C 77:10 to make it "plausible", so whatever you say must be true according to you.
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Mormons are so STUPID it is funny
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tapirrider wrote:Tobin what are you trying to say? I asked if you could admit that those burnt offerings had nothing to do with Adamites. Your answer "Of course not" makes no sense. You cannot admit it? Then you say the opposite: "there is no necessary connection". Which part of what you said is your answer? Please re-answer my question in an intelligble manner.
I think the only idiot here is you. I responded directly to you and even quoted the question. Despite that, you failed utterly to acknowledge or even try to understand my response. Let me parse my response and bring in parts of your assertion that I agreed with so that someone of your clear low mental abilities might understand it. However, I doubt even that is possible with you though.

Of course not (the burnt offerings had nothing to do with "adamites"), there is no necessary connection (to the "adamaites") as far as I can see .

The rest of your response is blathering non-sense which I've already adequately dealt with. Your understanding of Mormon theology is highly inadequate.

You also said "despite your bizarre understanding otherwise, that altars and burnt offerings did not originate with Noah, the Jaredites or Abraham. I've pointed out it originated with Adam."

You have not shown me that it originated with Adam, other than saying it did. The first mention of burnt offerings in the Bible is with Noah in Genesis 8:20. There is no Biblical record that Adam or Cain or Able's offerings were "burnt".


Here is the practice of making offerings on an altar started by Adam.
http://www.lds.org/scriptures/bd/sacrifices?lang=eng
Sacrifices. Soon after Adam and Eve were cast out of the Garden of Eden, the Lord gave them the law of sacrifices, which included offering the firstlings of their flocks in a similitude of the sacrifice that would be made of the Only Begotten Son of God (Moses 5:4–8).


And here taught by a living apostle of the Church if you doubt the quote above.
http://www.lds.org/ensign/1998/10/the-law-of-sacrifice?lang=eng
Adam was taught that the sacrifice on the altar was a “similitude of the sacrifice of the Only Begotten of the Father” (Moses 5:7). This teaches us that originally our Father’s children understood the relationship between the sacrifice of their offerings and the sacrifice of the Lamb of God (see D&C 138:12–13).


And here is Noah following that practice which included a burnt offering.
Genesis 8:20
Noah built an altar to the Lord, and took of every clean beast and every clean fowl and offered burnt offerings on the altar.

Now who do you think taught Noah this practice of making such offerings? It seems rather obvious it came from the line of prophets starting with Adam (who was taught to do it by the Lord). by the way - It doesn't mention that Adam made an altar and made offerings in the Bible, so we know this only by modern revelation. And as I've already pointed out, such obvious linkages are lost on you. I suppose your next brilliant observation will be that these offerings originated with Noah and that he was a Jew so Adam could not possibly have originated it.
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The Mighty Builder wrote:Mormons are so STUPID it is funny
You are simplifying.


There are people of
- high IQ (really)
- high educated
- owning normal, working brain (according their words about existing things)
- then they follow and spread Mormonism

THIS is something I don't understand.
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco
- To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
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ludwigm wrote:
The Mighty Builder wrote:Mormons are so STUPID it is funny
You are simplifying.


There are people of
- high IQ (really)
- high educated
- owning normal, working brain (according their words about existing things)
- then they follow and spread Mormonism

THIS is something I don't understand.


Oops, my bad. I should have said "Mormons are so Mormonishious, it is funny."
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