"Brethren, I want you to understand that it is not to be as it has been heretofore. The brother missionaries have been in the habit of picking out the prettiest women for themselves before they get here, and bringing on the ugly ones for us; hereafter you have to bring them all here before taking any of them, and let us all have a fair shake" - Heber C. Kimball, New York Times on May 15, 1860
"I say to those who are elected to go on missions, remember they are not your sheep: they belong to Him that sends you. Then do not make a choice of any of those sheep; do not make selections before they are brought home and put into the fold. You under stand that. Amen" - Apostle Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses
Heber may be the author of both of these statements, or perhaps only one of them.
How much weight do we give to the accuracy of the Journal of Discourses? A comment by John G. Turner, author of Brigham Young, Pioneer Prophet, is worth consideration. The link below is for an interview Turner gives where he comments on the accuracy of the JOD. The time window from 17:30 to 19:30 in the podcast is definitely worth a listen. To paraphrase; "the original minutes of a meeting were rougher, courser, and crazier than what was later filtered for publication in the Journal.
http://mormonexpositor.com//wp-content/ ... de_006.mp3
As John speaks further about the JOD compared to the original source material, it does leave you wondering about how much revision was involved in polishing some of the more unsavory comments.
Journal of Discourses - revised, accurate or both?
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Journal of Discourses - revised, accurate or both?
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Re: Journal of Discourses - revised, accurate or both?
lt makes you wonder how much worse some of that stuff was, before they "cleaned it up" for publication. I'm talking about the blood atonement stuff, the stuff where Brigham Young says that mixing a white person's seed with a black person earns death on the spot, etc.
One of the shocking things, to me, from Turner's biography was just how rated PG Brigham Young's language could be at times. One gets the feeling that if Young's comments were transcribed exactly as he spoke them, some of his talks would be unreadable to modern Latter-day Saints as immoral, inappropriate, etc.
One of the shocking things, to me, from Turner's biography was just how rated PG Brigham Young's language could be at times. One gets the feeling that if Young's comments were transcribed exactly as he spoke them, some of his talks would be unreadable to modern Latter-day Saints as immoral, inappropriate, etc.
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