The Holy Ghost is a Republican...

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The Holy Ghost is a Republican...

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http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/55876 ... r.html.csp

The above link takes you to a story about a Stake President who used the pulpit during Stake Conference to promote a political position.

An LDS stake president in Sandy did something in a speech earlier this month that other Mormon leaders have done many times: He warned that evil is corrupting the world.

Then President Matthew DeVisser did something few LDS leaders ever do over the pulpit: He rattled off a number of Republican talking points, lamenting that voters last year chose "socialism over capitalism, entitlements over free enterprise, redistribution and regulation over self-reliance."


Now, he was not speaking only as a man...from a transcript of the talk:
Now, I want to make it clear that it is not my intent today to be controversial, political, or even dire. My intent is to state the facts as I see them, as the Stake President,having been moved upon by the Holy Ghost. When I speak from this pulpit as the Stake President, the primary intent of my voice is one of love and compassion, but I alsohave an obligation to use my voice as a warning when it is necessary. Today is a day when I choose to use it primarily as a voice of warning hoping you will realize andunderstand that it is in love and compassion for you that I do.


DeVisser then proceeds to orate what has been described:
He rattled off a number of Republican talking points, lamenting that voters last year chose "socialism over capitalism, entitlements over free enterprise, redistribution and regulation over self-reliance."


So.
Was this the Holy Ghost speaking?
or
Was this a leader of a Stake claiming inspiration but (unbeknown to him and the congregation) not receiving inspiration?
(which opens a whole other can of worms with regards his ability to make decisions on behalf of his congregations)
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lamenting that voters last year chose "socialism over capitalism, entitlements over free enterprise, redistribution and regulation over self-reliance."


I've done the same in class and over the pulpit.
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bcspace wrote:
lamenting that voters last year chose "socialism over capitalism, entitlements over free enterprise, redistribution and regulation over self-reliance."


I've done the same in class and over the pulpit.


Was the Holy Ghost as God inspiring you or whispering it in your ear though? This man's claim is pure cock-n-bull and everyone knows it.
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Such a sermon would likely be regarded as paranoid American thinking to thousands of Mormons living in other countries where the term "socialism" isn't regarded with the same suspicion or fear as it apparently is in Utah. For all its "world wide church" claims Mormonism is still quite parochial and insular in its worldview. Thousands of Mormons in Europe, for instance, would likely view these comments as quite laughable if they didn't already have a view of us here in the US as being on the nutty side of the political spectrum in the first place.
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I've done the same in class and over the pulpit.

Was the Holy Ghost as God inspiring you or whispering it in your ear though? This man's claim is pure cock-n-bull and everyone knows it.


The Holy Ghost confirms the doctrine yes. The SP merely communicated LDS doctrine with modern example.
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Philo Sofee wrote:
Was the Holy Ghost as God inspiring you or whispering it in your ear though? This man's claim is pure cock-n-bull and everyone knows it.



Barack Obama is a revolutionary socialist of the evolutionary, or "cultural" Marxist kind, and his entire program is an eclectic blend of socialist/fascist/quasi-syndicalist leftism, and some know it, and some don't, and most low-information voters have no idea what they're even doing when they pull the lever save they understand its Christmas and someone else is going to be paying for it.
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The only other person who actually sinks to posting things in someone else's name, to make them look bad, is Scratch.

That Darth does it too isn't surprising.
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Droopy wrote:The only other person who actually sinks to posting things in someone else's name, to make them look bad, is Scratch.

That Darth does it too isn't surprising.


Droopy, I know you don't have enough self-awareness to realize it, but I promise you don't need anyone's help to look bad. You are doing just fine on your own.
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Re: The Holy Ghost is a Republican...

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bcspace wrote:
I've done the same in class and over the pulpit.



Wow there is a surprise.

BC is such an apostate.
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