Could God the Father have been a horse thief?

[_bcspace]

Are we sure this is doctrine?

Absolutely.

Gospel Principles Chapter 47

[_zeezrom]

Are we sure this is doctrine?

Absolutely.

Gospel Principles Chapter 47

God is an alien? Yuck.

[_BartBurk]

Sure. His skin might even have been black.

Why would you throw this in when discussing sinful behaviors?

[_Darth J]

His skin might even have been black.

bcspace, since Elohim is a resurrected human being, if his skin had been black during his mortal life, why wouldn't his skin be black today?

[_Gadianton]

I don't know if that means the Father had been a Saviour -- just that the Father had been a resurrected being. That actually complicates the entire sermon for me. Does that mean we have to learn how to take up our lives again, or is it something God accomplishes for us through Christ? Does it really mean that we can't become Gods like the Father and Jesus, but only in a limited sense? And would all of the ancestor Gods of the Father also had to have been Saviours to be Gods of our Father?

Those are good points, but I read it as just increasing the significance of Joseph Smith's fantasy. Sure, anybody can be a God and go on to create worlds without end, but not everyone will be a savior and live a sinless life so you have to stroke your chin over a Savior-HF as being something really special, could it be that our Jesus will essentially one-up his father?

Jesus died for all of our sins, that's pretty significant. But wait, he didn't just die for our planet but ALL of the worlds HF created, which are without end, and our earth is both the most wicked and righteous out of an infinite number of worlds. What are the odds Joseph Smith would restore the gospel on the most wicked and righteous world God created, the one with the Savior? It's a one in infinity chance eh? But there's more...

Abraham for instance, is now a God, right? He will need a Jesus to die for all the worlds he creates. The "Joseph Smith" of Abraham's universe on the world with Abraham's Savior is pretty special. But, Abraham wasn't a savior himself. So our Joseph Smith is more special, because our HF was actually the Savior in his father's universe! So Joseph Smith is one in infinity squared now.

And some clever TBM has to be wondering if Heavenly Father's father was a repentant horse thief or, could it be, that he was also a Savior in HIS father's world! How grand would it be if it's Savior's all the way down for the world our Joseph Smith restored the gospel on! He'd be one in infinity to the infinity power special! And all the polygamist prophets convinced by this line of thinking increase their own specialness by being prophets of the most special kind. There is a huge risk here, because if say, going back ten thousand generation of Gods, in our branch of the tree there is a God who was not the savior of his father's world, then that means some other branch exists, where some other set of Joseph Smith's exist who ARE the Joseph Smith's in a branch where it's Saviors all the way down and they are then technically more special than our Joseph Smith.

That's not going to cut it for most TBMs I don't think, if they stop and dwell on the significance of making our Jesus the Christ of all of HF's worlds in the first place. Our Jesus, HF, and most importantly, Joseph Smith must not be rivaled in how special they are.

Of course, the odds of us being in this particular branch of the one true Church are staggering, like, infinitely worse than walking into every casino in the universe and bankrupting them with one royal flush after an other. But that's how special our Mormon friends and neighbors are, the same ones who dispute abiogenesis on probabilistic grounds.

[_ZelphtheGreat]

Considering what Mormonism is he was probably an Amway dealer.

[_Sethbag]

Considering what Mormonism is he was probably an Amway dealer.

Yeah, actually Elohim was the NuSkin founder of his world. Or perhaps it was the Noni Juice founder. I forget which.

[_ludwigm]

...God the Father once lived a life on another planet just like the one we are living now.

Are we sure this is doctrine?

Absolutely.

Gospel Principles Chapter 47

God is an alien? Yuck.

(((by the way I hate this doctrine/not_doctrine thing again and again but...)))

This is taught.
Last year there was one home teaching of my wife; traditionally I take part in them.
Fortunately they scheduled only one or two per year.

The teacher is a biologist, with his father who is an accountant.
Topic: exaltation in the style of King Follett sermon (however it is unknown for them).
The summary of the explanation was that those aliens who have begun their evolution (??) and development a few million years before us, can own attributes and abilities we could get as divine; we would call them gods, as they can do "miracles".

As usual, they asked for my opinion. As usual, I've said it...

--- what about the gods of these aliens? were they another aliens?
This leads to the "turtles all the way down"
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and don't explain anything, only delays the explanation.

--- what about respect, esteem, fear?
Should I - we! - venerate somebody, because he/she/it was simply more lucky in the cosmic lottery and began to exist five million year or five minute before me?
Why are the kings kings? Because their seventy seventh ancestor was more crafted - or more lucky - in a battle?

--- last but not least, what about the christian god?
The one, the only one, who created everything. Even I don't believe in gods, that explanation is far more logical.

My wife's conclusion was that this is why she don't like my participation in home teaching.

The teacher's concusion was that we will revert to the topic.
We didn't - it was in last April.

[_bcspace]

God is an alien? Yuck.

No, God is a Homo Sapiens.

His skin might even have been black.

bcspace, since Elohim is a resurrected human being, if his skin had been black during his mortal life, why wouldn't his skin be black today?

His skin could be black today. However, if certain descriptions of Jesus are accurate and we know he has his father's DNA, then I find it unlikely for that to be true.

Sure. His skin might even have been black.

Why would you throw this in when discussing sinful behaviors?

An analogy to the doctrinal fact during the ban that blacks could ultimately have all the blessings anyone else could have.

(((by the way I hate this doctrine/not_doctrine thing again and again but...)))

The problem exists only in the minds of those with an agenda, major or minor, in opposition to the Church. Or those with a pet theory that require certain doctrines to go away.

This leads to the "turtles all the way down"
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and don't explain anything, only delays the explanation.

This is a problem even for Atheists (what was before the Big Bang?). I personally have not been unwilling to follow it as far back as necessary. One generation, a million generations, infinity generations, take your pick.

[_Tobin]

God is an alien? Yuck.

No, God is a Homo Sapiens.

Really bcspace. Let me make sure I have this right.

You accept evolution - correct?
You believe God the Father lived on a separate planet - correct?
That implies that God evolved on another planet - correct?

Do you really think intelligent life (ie homo sapiens) must evolve exactly the same on this planet as it does on every other planet in the universe? And why would that be?