Really bcspace. Let me make sure I have this right.
You accept evolution - correct?
Correct.
You believe God the Father lived on a separate planet - correct?
Official doctrine, correct.
That implies that God evolved on another planet - correct?
His physical body did, correct.
Do you really think intelligent life (ie homo sapiens) must evolve exactly the same on this planet as it does on every other planet in the universe?
I can handle a more Star Trekian notion of humanoids having a common God and all being considered to have been created in His image (see TNG: The Chase). But I also don't see how it's implausible at all that God would use the evolutionary process to create a physical body just like His.
And why would that be?
Perhaps that is the type of body required for his spirit children to dwell in and have maximum benefit of the combination.
Do you really think intelligent life (ie homo sapiens) must evolve exactly the same on this planet as it does on every other planet in the universe?
I can handle a more Star Trekian notion of humanoids having a common God and all being considered to have been created in His image (see TNG: The Chase). But I also don't see how it's implausible at all that God would use the evolutionary process to create a physical body just like His.
And why would that be?
Perhaps that is the type of body required for his spirit children to dwell in and have maximum benefit of the combination.
I still fail to see the reason God must be a homo sapien though. Could we not just have a form or shape that is somewhat similar, but not share the same species with God the Father? I believe this more accurately fits how evolution of intelligent life would happen on another planet after all. I seriously doubt that any other planet would share exactly the same evolutionary track and bio diversity that this planet does.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
I still fail to see the reason God must be a homo sapien though.
We are created in His image. He was once a mortal man. Etc. The requirement is virtually doctrinal in the absence of other information.
Could we not just have a form or shape that is somewhat similar, but not share the same species with God the Father? I believe this more accurately fits how evolution of intelligent life would happen on another planet after all. I seriously doubt that any other planet would share exactly the same evolutionary track and bio diversity that this planet does.
In the "Star Trekian hypothesis", this could be true. But there may or may not be sufficient reason to broaden what it means to be created in His image in such a fashion. Certainly evolution could be a reason. But there are not sufficient details on the creation to bring evolution into doctrinal status. The doctrine merely puts up no road blocks to the notion that evolution could have been the process used.
I still fail to see the reason God must be a homo sapien though.
We are created in His image. He was once a mortal man. Etc. The requirement is virtually doctrinal in the absence of other information.
I disagree with that interpretation. Having a form similar to God does not necessarily mean God the Father is a homo sapien at all. It may only mean we bear a similarity in form.
bcspace wrote:
Could we not just have a form or shape that is somewhat similar, but not share the same species with God the Father? I believe this more accurately fits how evolution of intelligent life would happen on another planet after all. I seriously doubt that any other planet would share exactly the same evolutionary track and bio diversity that this planet does.
In the "Star Trekian hypothesis", this could be true. But there may or may not be sufficient reason to broaden what it means to be created in His image in such a fashion. Certainly evolution could be a reason. But there are not sufficient details on the creation to bring evolution into doctrinal status. The doctrine merely puts up no road blocks to the notion that evolution could have been the process used.
I would think the fact that God evolved on another planet would be more than a sufficient reason. Given what we know about evolution, it is highly unlikely that evolution on another planet would have exactly the same results as it has on this planet. I completely fail to see any necessary connection between how we evolved and how God the Father (and his species) must have evolved other than we share a degree of intelligence and have a similar form.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
The minds that keep their hand to the plow Joseph Smith restored are eventually going to realize my theology of One Eternal Round found here
Jesus treads in the tracks of the Father. The Holy Ghost is the ghost of the Holy Father. Jesus Christ was the Holy Ghost before he became the Chosen and Only Begotten of the Father. These three have repeated their course which is one eternal round endlessly. Each time around they take turns at the three respective positions. Each are Father to one and son to the other.
Only one true God which three beings compose its parts. His intelligence is greater than all the lesser intelligences. I suppose this is true of all three. So combined the three of them have triple the intelligence of all other intelligences combined. That's a higher order of being than mere men. They do not have wives and do not beget spirit children by sexual relations. That is what the exalted seed bearers are for. God only creates by the word of his power.....see D&C 29.
We are created in His image. He was once a mortal man. Etc. The requirement is virtually doctrinal in the absence of other information.
I disagree with that interpretation. Having a form similar to God does not necessarily mean God the Father is a homo sapien at all. It may only mean we bear a similarity in form.
It is the most likely and logical interpretation. But as you know, I can also accept a broader definition.
I would think the fact that God evolved on another planet would be more than a sufficient reason.
Not necessarily. Since the Gods are involved in the creative process, it is possible then to direct evolution and all the processes involved in natural selection to constantly replicate the desired result.
bcspace, since Elohim is a resurrected human being, if his skin had been black during his mortal life, why wouldn't his skin be black today?
His skin could be black today. However, if certain descriptions of Jesus are accurate and we know he has his father's DNA, then I find it unlikely for that to be true.
So it is possible that Heavenly Grandfather cursed the first murderer on the planet where Elohim lived out his mortality with black skin, and Elohim was descended from that cursed lineage?
If dark skin is a curse, why does it stay with people when they are resurrected?