Explanations 8-12 wrote:8. Contains writings that cannot be revealed unto the world; but is to be had in the Holy Temple of God. 9. Ought not to be revealed at the present time. 10. Also. 11. Also. If the world can find out these numbers, so let it be. Amen. 12. Figures 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, and 21 will be given in the own due time of the Lord.
Re #8, has anyone had these writings revealed to them in the Holy Temple of God? I'm not asking for the content to be revealed here, just whether anyone has had these writings revealed to them.
Re #11, JSJr admitted that it was possible that "the world" might be able to find out "these numbers". Revelation is not necessary to find them out. "let it be. Amen." What do Egyptologists say about this?
Explanations 8-12 wrote:8. Contains writings that cannot be revealed unto the world; but is to be had in the Holy Temple of God. 9. Ought not to be revealed at the present time. 10. Also. 11. Also. If the world can find out these numbers, so let it be. Amen. 12. Figures 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, and 21 will be given in the own due time of the Lord.
Re #8, has anyone had these writings revealed to them in the Holy Temple of God? I'm not asking for the content to be revealed here, just whether anyone has had these writings revealed to them.
Re #11, JSJr admitted that it was possible that "the world" might be able to find out "these numbers". Revelation is not necessary to find them out. "let it be. Amen." What do Egyptologists say about this?
Are they numbers at all?
Re #8, Michael Rhodes has translated it as "may the soul of the Osiris Shishaq be granted life" (referencing his 1994 BYU Studies article).
Re #11, Rhodes has translated it as "O God of the Sleeping Ones from the time of the creation" (ibid.).
“A scholar said he could not read the Book of Mormon, so we shouldn’t be shocked that scholars say the papyri don’t translate and/or relate to the Book of Abraham. Doesn’t change anything. It’s ancient and historical.” ~ Hanna Seariac
Explanations 8-12 wrote:8. Contains writings that cannot be revealed unto the world; but is to be had in the Holy Temple of God. 9. Ought not to be revealed at the present time. 10. Also. 11. Also. If the world can find out these numbers, so let it be. Amen. 12. Figures 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, and 21 will be given in the own due time of the Lord.
Re #8, has anyone had these writings revealed to them in the Holy Temple of God? I'm not asking for the content to be revealed here, just whether anyone has had these writings revealed to them.
Re #11, JSJr admitted that it was possible that "the world" might be able to find out "these numbers". Revelation is not necessary to find them out. "let it be. Amen." What do Egyptologists say about this?
Are they numbers at all?
Re #8, Michael Rhodes has translated it as "may the soul of the Osiris Shishaq be granted life" (referencing his 1994 BYU Studies article).
Re #11, Rhodes has translated it as "O God of the Sleeping Ones from the time of the creation" (ibid.).
Gee, that sounds close. I am sure some mopologist can find a way to equate the two. They are masters of the "Six degrees of Kevin Bacon" game.
We have some stunningly stupid comments below. Now, I do not believe the Book of Abraham corresponds to the Book of Breathings scroll nor do I believe the facsimiles are what Abraham would have originally made. That is patently absurd since these are copies and were clearly subject to cultural assimilation. However, even a cursory study of the material and criticisms should have given some of these "former" Mormons and now critics of Mormonism a much better understanding of the facsimiles than they obviously possess.
Let me help you. Figure 11 is about the First Occasion (creation) myth. It is a common depiction and found in many ruins and texts. And of course there is a number there. It is rendered zp tpj, "the first occasion" or creation. tpj is the Ancient Egyptian masculine ordinal for "first". Since those commenting clearly haven't bothered educating themselves beyond anti-mormon literature and have no depth on the topic, I'll refer you to this URL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Egyptian_creation_myths). It might help (if you ever bother to read anything which many of you clearly don't).
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Tom wrote:Re #11, Rhodes has translated it as "O God of the Sleeping Ones from the time of the creation" (ibid.).
And, lo and behold, "the world" has figured out the time since creation has been about 4.5 billion years. They have figured out the numbers! How could Joseph have known?!?
Mormonism ceased being a compelling topic for me when I finally came to terms with its transformation from a personality cult into a combination of a real estate company, a SuperPac, and Westboro Baptist Church. - Kishkumen
Joseph Smith designated the ancient writing in the registers in order with English numbering for identiying purposes only. He was simply challenging the world to figure out what the writing means within the numbered sections of the Facsimile which he apparently was unable to translate because Mormon Jezzus was sleeping with Mary that day.