Official Lie of the Church
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_Kevin Graham
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Official Lie of the Church
"After Henry deserted Zina and the two little boys, Zebulon and Chariton, she married Brigham Young "
https://www.LDS.org/friend/1989/02/zina ... y?lang=eng
Now, please. Is there any Mormon here who wants to explain why the Church felt the need to lie about this? Her husband Henry didn't "desert" his family. He went on a mission. Also Brigham Young was sealed to her before the second child was born.
It just disgusts me the way in which the Church feels the justification in demonizing someone's name when that person lived as a loyalist all his life. For God's sake he was so devoted he gave allowed the prophets to take his own wife from him.
No mention that Joseph Smith ever married Zina.
No mention that Joseph Smith married Zina while she was still married to and living with Henry.
No mention that Henry also continued to be Zinas loving live-in husband.
No mention that after Joseph married Zina, Henry was sent on several missions, lasting three years.
No mention that Zina married Brigham Young, while Henry was still a faithful, loving husband.
No mention that Henry was sent on a mission by Brigham Young, who then openly lived with Zina as his wife.
No mention that Henry was hurt and troubled by this.
No where in the historical record does it indicate that Henry abandoned his wife, Zina. On the contrary, the historical record is clear that Henry continued to be a caring, concerned husband who was put out of the way by Joseph Smith and Brigham Young.
https://www.LDS.org/friend/1989/02/zina ... y?lang=eng
Now, please. Is there any Mormon here who wants to explain why the Church felt the need to lie about this? Her husband Henry didn't "desert" his family. He went on a mission. Also Brigham Young was sealed to her before the second child was born.
It just disgusts me the way in which the Church feels the justification in demonizing someone's name when that person lived as a loyalist all his life. For God's sake he was so devoted he gave allowed the prophets to take his own wife from him.
No mention that Joseph Smith ever married Zina.
No mention that Joseph Smith married Zina while she was still married to and living with Henry.
No mention that Henry also continued to be Zinas loving live-in husband.
No mention that after Joseph married Zina, Henry was sent on several missions, lasting three years.
No mention that Zina married Brigham Young, while Henry was still a faithful, loving husband.
No mention that Henry was sent on a mission by Brigham Young, who then openly lived with Zina as his wife.
No mention that Henry was hurt and troubled by this.
No where in the historical record does it indicate that Henry abandoned his wife, Zina. On the contrary, the historical record is clear that Henry continued to be a caring, concerned husband who was put out of the way by Joseph Smith and Brigham Young.
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_Stormy Waters
Re: Official Lie of the Church
No mention of her marriage to Joseph. Fantastic.
But hey, it's still your fault if you didn't know about this stuff.... Somehow.
But hey, it's still your fault if you didn't know about this stuff.... Somehow.
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_Fence Sitter
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Re: Official Lie of the Church
Kevin Graham wrote:"After Henry deserted Zina and the two little boys, Zebulon and Chariton, she married Brigham Young "
https://www.LDS.org/friend/1989/02/zina ... y?lang=eng
Now, please. AIs there any Mormon here who wants to explain why the Church felt the need to lie about this? Her husband Henry didn't "desert" his family. He went on a mission. Also Brigham Young was sealed to her before the second child was born.
It just disgusts me the way in which the Church feels the justification in demonizing someone's name when that person lived as a loyalist all his life. For God's sake he was so devoted he gave allowed the prophets to take his own wife from him.
It gets even worse here
Thread about The Misinformation Around Zina Diantha Huntington Jacobs Smith Young at MAD
CASteinman, labeled as a troll even by the denizens of MAD, argues that since the article was aimed at children it's okay to lie.
CASteinman wrote:I don't think the article was particularly untruthful. I think it was adapted for small children in a way that is appropriate for them and probably based upon a specific biography. As a result, I don't think any of it was untruthful.
"Any over-ritualized religion since the dawn of time can make its priests say yes, we know, it is rotten, and hard luck, but just do as we say, keep at the ritual, stick it out, give us your money and you'll end up with the angels in heaven for evermore."
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_sock puppet
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Re: Official Lie of the Church
If you pay tithing, by Mormon definition you cannot lie no matter how detached what you speak is from accuracy.
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_cwald
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Re: Official Lie of the Church
Yep. It's my fault I didn't know the real history of the church. Maybe I should have skipped more seminary and SS lessons and read anti sites instead to learn the truth when I was young.
the church will continue to bleed out... and it's their own fault and making. They refuse to fix the problems.
the church will continue to bleed out... and it's their own fault and making. They refuse to fix the problems.
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_bcspace
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Re: Official Lie of the Church
Good to see Kevin taking up reading the Friend. It's a refreshing thought.
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Satan's Plan Deconstructed.
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Conservatism is the Gospel of Christ and the Plan of Salvation in Action.
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_cwald
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Re: Official Lie of the Church
bcspace wrote:Good to see Kevin taking up reading the Friend. It's a refreshing thought.
Alright. That is pretty funny. I'll admit it.
"Jesus gave us the gospel, but Satan invented church. It takes serious evil to formalize faith into something tedious and then pile guilt on anyone who doesn’t participate enthusiastically." - Robert Kirby
Beer makes you feel the way you ought to feel without beer. -- Henry Lawson
Beer makes you feel the way you ought to feel without beer. -- Henry Lawson
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_DrW
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Re: Official Lie of the Church
bcspace wrote:Good to see Kevin taking up reading the Friend. It's a refreshing thought.
What is not refreshing, or even that unusual, is the LDS Church engaging in institutional lying to its members by means of official Church publications, whether they be for children or not.
And this is not all that funny.
David Hume: "---Mistakes in philosophy are merely ridiculous, those in religion are dangerous."
DrW: "Mistakes in science are learning opportunities and are eventually corrected."
DrW: "Mistakes in science are learning opportunities and are eventually corrected."
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_cwald
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Re: Official Lie of the Church
DrW wrote:bcspace wrote:Good to see Kevin taking up reading the Friend. It's a refreshing thought.
What is not refreshing, or even that unusual, is the LDS Church engaging in institutional lying to its members by means of official Church publications, whether they be for children or not.
And this is not all that funny.
No. It is not.
Why does the church continue to lie to its members, especially now, with the internet, when they must know they will caught everytime?
"Jesus gave us the gospel, but Satan invented church. It takes serious evil to formalize faith into something tedious and then pile guilt on anyone who doesn’t participate enthusiastically." - Robert Kirby
Beer makes you feel the way you ought to feel without beer. -- Henry Lawson
Beer makes you feel the way you ought to feel without beer. -- Henry Lawson
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_bcspace
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Re: Official Lie of the Church
Darren10 had an interesting answer in post #3 of the MADB which did not seem to be addressed, at least not immediately as I have not read the whole long thread. This example seems to have happened after BY ostensibly told Jacobs to find another and also I don't see the reason why Jacob's wife here cannot be Zina (if so, there was no other wife at the time). However, it seems worth looking into. There's too much unverified stuff here to draw the OP's conclusion so far.
That remains to be seen.
Internet in 1989? Your adding sordid detail after an unproven accusation of lying is merely Yellow Journalaism
Good to see Kevin taking up reading the Friend. It's a refreshing thought.What is not refreshing, or even that unusual, is the LDS Church engaging in institutional lying to its members by means of official Church publications, whether they be for children or not.
That remains to be seen.
Why does the church continue to lie to its members, especially now, with the internet, when they must know they will caught everytime?
Internet in 1989? Your adding sordid detail after an unproven accusation of lying is merely Yellow Journalaism
Machina Sublime
Satan's Plan Deconstructed.
Your Best Resource On Joseph Smith's Polygamy.
Conservatism is the Gospel of Christ and the Plan of Salvation in Action.
The Degeneracy Of Progressivism.
Satan's Plan Deconstructed.
Your Best Resource On Joseph Smith's Polygamy.
Conservatism is the Gospel of Christ and the Plan of Salvation in Action.
The Degeneracy Of Progressivism.