Official Lie of the Church

[_Philo Sofee]

Hmmm? I guess I don't see it that way.

Actually, your initial response indicates otherwise and was the correct response. Come on - we are talking about the Friend here. Do you seriously think this publication is a scholarly publication often referred to by professional historians? Oh please... who does Kevin and Sammy think they are kidding here?

The reason they publish in the Friend is because the kids are easier to brainwash and never worry about looking anything up. They are raised to believe totally in what they read in church publications. This kind of crap could never pass muster or peer review in a professional journal, so they go with the church's yellow journalism brainwashing publications instead.

[_sock puppet]

An 18th century horn dog who didn't father numerous other children? Gimme a break.

He was king of the pull out.

White salamanders all over the place.

Who are Joseph Smith's children and who are their mothers?

Exactly. Where's the righteous seed? Good to see you indicting JSJr too, bcspace.

[_Craig Paxton]

"After Henry deserted Zina and the two little boys, Zebulon and Chariton, she married Brigham Young "

https://www.lds.org/friend/1989/02/zina ... y?lang=eng

Now, please. AIs there any Mormon here who wants to explain why the Church felt the need to lie about this? Her husband Henry didn't "desert" his family. He went on a mission. Also Brigham Young was sealed to her before the second child was born.

It just disgusts me the way in which the Church feels the justification in demonizing someone's name when that person lived as a loyalist all his life. For God's sake he was so devoted he gave allowed the prophets to take his own wife from him.

I note that this article was written in 1989...I can't imagine the church pulling this crap today....oh wait...

[_moksha]

It gets even worse here

Thread about The Misinformation Around Zina Diantha Huntington Jacobs Smith Young at MAD

Were the preponderance of Md&D posters able to come up with clever answers in support of this misinformation (lie), or did they simply attack those who brought this information to their attention?

[_Maureen]

Coincidentally, we just uploaded 4 Zinas to our online library. Chapters five and six address this best. Needless to say, even the most charitable interpretation of the church's words around Henry Jacobs leaves one baffled. He is told by Brigham Young that his wife is no longer his, and he's portrayed historically as someone who abandons his family? Disturbing, to say the least.

http://signaturebookslibrary.org/?p=23493

I have that book and Chapter 7 adds more information, pages 197-202. From what I've read, I would guess that BY felt that Zina belonged more to Joseph Smith than to Henry Jacobs, due to the sealing and he felt it was his responsibility to right that, by "discharging his commitment to Joseph Smith in keeping for him what he had chosen for himself." (pg 200) That's how I read it.

M.

[_Fence Sitter]

It gets even worse here

Thread about The Misinformation Around Zina Diantha Huntington Jacobs Smith Young at MAD

Were the preponderance of Md&D posters able to come up with clever answers in support of this misinformation (lie), or did they simply attack those who brought this information to their attention?

i stopped reading it after 3 pages and ten post from CASteinman, who is a tool. I will note that there are several posters who openly admitted it to be a head scratcher and were willing to wait until God explained it to them in the here after. The OP (Canard78) who is a TBM, raised the issue and is not letting those frothing at the mouth to defend the Church at all costs, off with the usual misdirection defenses.

[_Droopy]

Joseph Smith was a horn dog

An 18th century horn dog who didn't father numerous other children? Gimme a break.

You know, who really are the liars here? Every time this subject (and related subjects) comes up, its back to the old 19th century tabloid journalism versions of late 20th century grindhouse exploitation films, something most people educated enough to be taken seriously on such matters are aware were disposed of long ago, long before any of us were born anyway.

This place is a rehab center for discredited anti-Mormons of past generations. Brodie, Howe, anyone can qualify.

Joseph Smith the lecher? Show me the evidence. Where are the living descendent's of anyone but Emma? Where is the documentary data? Where are the facts?

Yes, that's correct: no facts, no documentary evidence, no empirical anything. Nothing but assumptions, innuendos, trolling the depths of the long discredited lies of others long dead, mountains of bad faith and overflowing rivers of bile.

Not good for the digestion, however.

[_Droopy]

i stopped reading it after 3 pages and ten post from CASteinman, who is a tool. I will note that there are several posters who openly admitted it to be a head scratcher and were willing to wait until God explained it to them in the here after. The OP (Canard78) who is a TBM, raised the issue and is not letting those frothing at the mouth to defend the Church at all costs, off with the usual misdirection defenses.

This is nothing but an ad hominem rant critical of an essay at FAIR, the entire asserted basis of which is that - it was an essay from FAIR - and as icing on the cake, the author admits he didn't even read the arguments of the author or give them a fair hearing.

Can anyone say, "typical."

[_sock puppet]

Coincidentally, we just uploaded 4 Zinas to our online library. Chapters five and six address this best. Needless to say, even the most charitable interpretation of the church's words around Henry Jacobs leaves one baffled. He is told by Brigham Young that his wife is no longer his, and he's portrayed historically as someone who abandons his family? Disturbing, to say the least.

http://signaturebookslibrary.org/?p=23493

I have that book and Chapter 7 adds more information, pages 197-202. From what I've read, I would guess that BY felt that Zina belonged more to Joseph Smith than to Henry Jacobs, due to the sealing and he felt it was his responsibility to right that, by "discharging his commitment to Joseph Smith in keeping for him what he had chosen for himself." (pg 200) That's how I read it.

M.

So Henry Jacobs was cuckolded per god's will.

But hey, stay in that cock-and-bull organization "for the kids", it's a great place to raise them.

Okay--I admit. That logic escapes me.

[_Dr. Shades]

Joseph Smith the lecher? Show me the evidence. Where are the living descendent's of anyone but Emma? Where is the documentary data? Where are the facts?

Did Joseph Smith, Jr. engage in sexual intercourse with one or more women other than his legal wife Emma?

A. Yes
B. No