Sethbag wrote:What's the news here. It's almost like the fact that an LDS general authority has a gay son is being used to "stick it" to the Church. As if there were something wrong with that. Anyone care to explain this better?
Also, including all of the various quorums of Seventy, there are now in the hundreds of General and Area Authorities. Just statistically, assuming maybe 3% of their kids were gay, there'd be at least a dozen or more gay GA kids. And this would be remarkable how?
I agree. I think the real story is that someone who has an "analytical personality" is an active member.
I've merely presented the facts about homosexuality; a risky lifestyle and spoken against by God. On the other hand, people like you, to put it mildly, have been intolerant of others beliefs and have resorted even to blacklisting those who speak out or vote against you.
Don't you hate it when people are intolerant of intolerance.
"Hey look we are persecuted because were bigots."
More fodder for future Space generations to be ashamed of.
I've been plugged into the gay community for years. I know the plan and the modus operandi.
You don't even understand your own community.
"Any over-ritualized religion since the dawn of time can make its priests say yes, we know, it is rotten, and hard luck, but just do as we say, keep at the ritual, stick it out, give us your money and you'll end up with the angels in heaven for evermore."
Back to the original discussion, I think Br. Robbins is pioneering the way active members of the church and those who aren't members of the church view the church's perception on gays. He's going to shift the optic paradigm. It's also newsworthy because his dad is in the first quorum of the seventy, has been for over a decade, founded FranklinQuest (franklincovey) and is now in church-produced films.
How many threads on mddb have your created, which threads have the sole and specific intent to ridicule and show how evil "gay" is.
I've merely presented the facts about homosexuality; a risky lifestyle and spoken against by God. On the other hand, people like you, to put it mildly, have been intolerant of others beliefs and have resorted even to blacklisting those who speak out or vote against you. I've been plugged into the gay community for years. I know the plan and the modus operandi.
A bigot calling another person a bigot.
I provide you the same "tolerance" you provide me.
Not sure I understand your interest in the gay community; but plugged, what do you mean by "plugged"?
beanboots wrote:Back to the original discussion, I think Br. Robbins is pioneering the way active members of the church and those who aren't members of the church view the church's perception on gays. He's going to shift the optic paradigm. It's also newsworthy because his dad is in the first quorum of the seventy, has been for over a decade, founded FranklinQuest (franklincovey) and is now in church-produced films.
I don't agree. He is openly gay Mormon. If there are any Mormons that I would not expect to be gay-bashing, it would openly gay Mormons.
There were openly black Mormons prior to 78, their presence didn't shift the optic paradigm that the LDS Church was racist organization.
beanboots wrote:Back to the original discussion, I think Br. Robbins is pioneering the way active members of the church and those who aren't members of the church view the church's perception on gays. He's going to shift the optic paradigm. It's also newsworthy because his dad is in the first quorum of the seventy, has been for over a decade, founded FranklinQuest (franklincovey) and is now in church-produced films.
I don't agree. He is openly gay Mormon. If there are any Mormons that I would not expect to be gay-bashing, it would openly gay Mormons.
There were openly black Mormons prior to 78, their presence didn't shift the optic paradigm that the LDS Church was racist organization.
but there weren't any black Mormons that were children of general authorities, obviously. race and sexual orientation are totally different when it comes to shifting the cultural perception through the lens of Mormonism.
beanboots wrote:but there weren't any black Mormons that were children of general authorities, obviously. race and sexual orientation are totally different when it comes to shifting the cultural perception through the lens of Mormonism.
This particular gay Mormon still buys the party line that his natural desires are something that he has to suppress. He is welcome member so long as he doesn't rock the boat.
He is no different than the blacks pre78 who accepted their place as second class members.
beanboots wrote:but there weren't any black Mormons that were children of general authorities, obviously. race and sexual orientation are totally different when it comes to shifting the cultural perception through the lens of Mormonism.
This particular gay Mormon still buys the party line that his natural desires are something that he has to suppress. He is welcome member so long as he doesn't rock the boat.
He is no different than the blacks pre78 who accepted their place as second class members.
I think there is.
The restrictions on blacks was not a result of behavior (at least not here in this life) and it was obvious they were black.
Gays have been ostracized as a result of perceived sinful behavior and, for the most part, members are probably unaware of which other members consider themselves gay. One thing that will help people to be more accepting of them will be an an open acknowledgement of a gay person who is also the son of a general authority. Many LDS are still stuck in the BKP mentality of gayness as a disease and self inflicted at that. Here we have a general authorities son, with his obvious upbringing, who will counter such archaic notions.
Though him going into theater won't help despel some other stereotypes.
"Any over-ritualized religion since the dawn of time can make its priests say yes, we know, it is rotten, and hard luck, but just do as we say, keep at the ritual, stick it out, give us your money and you'll end up with the angels in heaven for evermore."
The restrictions on blacks was not a result of behavior (at least not here in this life) and it was obvious they were black.
Gays have been ostracized as a result of perceived sinful behavior and, for the most part, members are probably unaware of which other members consider themselves gay. One thing that will help people to be more accepting of them will be an an open acknowledgement of a gay person who is also the son of a general authority. Many LDS are still stuck in the BKP mentality of gayness as a disease and self inflicted at that. Here we have a general authorities son, with his obvious upbringing, who will counter such archaic notions.
Though him going into theater won't help despel some other stereotypes.
