City Creek - Get over IT

[_beanboots]

I've been getting a little livid over this constant verbal/written puke that is catapulted everywhere about City Creek. Annoying as it is, I've remained silent about it. But not anymore.

Yes, it's expensive. Yes, it's real estate. Yes, the Church contracted with a private developer to manage the mall. Yes, they sell alcohol and immodest clothing.

Get over it.

The Church does not own the Cheesecake Factory or the immodest clothing boutiques. They own the land. They built a premier facility where a decrepit mall once stood. The Church provided, directly or indirectly, thousands of jobs during the worst recession in modern times. Self-reliance was taught and encouraged as people went to work and helped to construct the edifices that make up the mall. And now there are more jobs for those who are employed by Taubman or the mall. The Church is helping families to put food on their table and money in their pockets.

The Church was concerned, in my opinion, about people going to the Gateway Mall, distracting from what could be a spiritually and informationally (note that I did not say "intellectually") fulfilling visit to Temple Square. The CPB recognized the commercial competition and subsequent diversion of visitors and tourists from Temple Square. They acted according to what any entity would do to ensure that their agenda is met. The agenda? Helping people to learn about the Church. Making bad men good and good men better. Helping to fulfill the mission of the Church.

The mall will pay for itself. The Church has enough cash flow and investment returns to be self-reliant, as we all know. But why, oh why do people think that it is the Church's duty to give everyone a handout?

There isn't a Bishop that I know that would turn anyone away for food or cash assistance so long as they are helping themselves to be self-reliant. If people come from other parts of the world to Temple Square seeking assistance, they are immediately brought to Welfare Square so that they can get to work and get the resources that they need to succeed.

Every entity has to make wise financial decisions to ensure steady growth. Every entity must further ensure that they have the ability to weather any financial storm that may blow in from any direction at any time. The Church made a very wise decision - spark economic growth in Temple Square by protecting the environment around it as well as providing employment and trade opportunities in the epicenter of downtown Salt Lake.

Why is it important? Because first off, and this should go without saying, the Church has a divine mandate. It doesn't matter if you are a TBM, an exmo, a post-mo, or whatever - I am pretty sure that everyone can agree that the Church has, or at least believes itself to have, a divine mandate to build up the Kingdom of God on the earth. That requires spiritual and temporal growth. The Church did not build the mall at the spiritual or temporal expense of the people. They only enhanced the spiritual and temporal experience and lives of its people - active and inactive members, Jews, and Gentiles alike.

We pay tithing and give fast offerings to help the poor. Wards and stakes are primarily responsible for the local, immediate financial and temporal affairs of its people when they cannot provide for themselves. There isn't a member of this Church that would disagree with the utmost sincerity that (most) priesthood leaders approach these types of situations. They are sincere in their desire to help and they do so by divine guidance.

Now about why the Church isn't solving world hunger with the $5 billion. Seriously - get over it.

If you teach a man to fish... really, you know the phrase. The heightened sense of entitlement that is in the world today screams of envy and jealousy. It must be acknowledged that the Church does as much as it can when it can to feed the hungry and serve the poor. If the Church simply gave money to nations or organizations, they don't know where that money is going to go. Remember the 9/11 fund, where they couldn't track some (or most) of it down because of corruption? Think about it. Why would you give hundreds of millions in aid to corrupt, barely functioning governments?

So here ends my rant. The Church provides when it must provide. It must provide temporally and spiritually because God said so. The mall was built to beautify the area around Temple Square and provide employment and resources to the people of Salt Lake during one of the biggest recessions in history. We feed the hungry. We clothe the naked. We have wards and stakes, bishops and stake presidents, that care for the needy. We don't leave them out in the cold.

The Church hires investment analysts, accountants, auditors, and other professionals for a reason. If this was not a wise move that would not assist in accomplishing the mission of the Church, it would not have been done. But it was. So get over it.

And get back to being humble and being the keeper of your brothers and sisters.

[_Stormy Waters]

Speaking of the gateway tons of their stores are closed now. So speaking about jobs, some jobs have been lost in the Gateway or have simply been moved City Creek Mall.

[Guest]

I've been getting a little livid over this constant verbal/written puke that is catapulted everywhere about City Creek. Annoying as it is, I've remained silent about it. But not anymore.

Yes, it's expensive. Yes, it's real estate. Yes, the Church contracted with a private developer to manage the mall. Yes, they sell alcohol and immodest clothing.

Get over it.

The Church does not own the Cheesecake Factory or the immodest clothing boutiques. They own the land. They built a premier facility where a decrepit mall once stood. The Church provided, directly or indirectly, thousands of jobs during the worst recession in modern times. Self-reliance was taught and encouraged as people went to work and helped to construct the edifices that make up the mall. And now there are more jobs for those who are employed by Taubman or the mall. The Church is helping families to put food on their table and money in their pockets.

The Church was concerned, in my opinion, about people going to the Gateway Mall, distracting from what could be a spiritually and informationally (note that I did not say "intellectually") fulfilling visit to Temple Square. The CPB recognized the commercial competition and subsequent diversion of visitors and tourists from Temple Square. They acted according to what any entity would do to ensure that their agenda is met. The agenda? Helping people to learn about the Church. Making bad men good and good men better. Helping to fulfill the mission of the Church.

The mall will pay for itself. The Church has enough cash flow and investment returns to be self-reliant, as we all know. But why, oh why do people think that it is the Church's duty to give everyone a handout?

There isn't a Bishop that I know that would turn anyone away for food or cash assistance so long as they are helping themselves to be self-reliant. If people come from other parts of the world to Temple Square seeking assistance, they are immediately brought to Welfare Square so that they can get to work and get the resources that they need to succeed.

Every entity has to make wise financial decisions to ensure steady growth. Every entity must further ensure that they have the ability to weather any financial storm that may blow in from any direction at any time. The Church made a very wise decision - spark economic growth in Temple Square by protecting the environment around it as well as providing employment and trade opportunities in the epicenter of downtown Salt Lake.

Why is it important? Because first off, and this should go without saying, the Church has a divine mandate. It doesn't matter if you are a TBM, an exmo, a post-mo, or whatever - I am pretty sure that everyone can agree that the Church has, or at least believes itself to have, a divine mandate to build up the Kingdom of God on the earth. That requires spiritual and temporal growth. The Church did not build the mall at the spiritual or temporal expense of the people. They only enhanced the spiritual and temporal experience and lives of its people - active and inactive members, Jews, and Gentiles alike.

We pay tithing and give fast offerings to help the poor. Wards and stakes are primarily responsible for the local, immediate financial and temporal affairs of its people when they cannot provide for themselves. There isn't a member of this Church that would disagree with the utmost sincerity that (most) priesthood leaders approach these types of situations. They are sincere in their desire to help and they do so by divine guidance.

Now about why the Church isn't solving world hunger with the $5 billion. Seriously - get over it.

If you teach a man to fish... really, you know the phrase. The heightened sense of entitlement that is in the world today screams of envy and jealousy. It must be acknowledged that the Church does as much as it can when it can to feed the hungry and serve the poor. If the Church simply gave money to nations or organizations, they don't know where that money is going to go. Remember the 9/11 fund, where they couldn't track some (or most) of it down because of corruption? Think about it. Why would you give hundreds of millions in aid to corrupt, barely functioning governments?

So here ends my rant. The Church provides when it must provide. It must provide temporally and spiritually because God said so. The mall was built to beautify the area around Temple Square and provide employment and resources to the people of Salt Lake during one of the biggest recessions in history. We feed the hungry. We clothe the naked. We have wards and stakes, bishops and stake presidents, that care for the needy. We don't leave them out in the cold.

The Church hires investment analysts, accountants, auditors, and other professionals for a reason. If this was not a wise move that would not assist in accomplishing the mission of the Church, it would not have been done. But it was. So get over it.

And get back to being humble and being the keeper of your brothers and sisters.

Yeah, you STARVING CHILDREN, Get over IT!!!!

[_Bob Loblaw]

City Creek doesn't bother me. It's their money, and they can do with it what they wish. I do think it was a poor investment, but that remains to be seen. I don't lose any sleep over it. I bought some stuff from the Deseret Book there the last time I was in SLC. It's a nice place, but in my view, it's not going to be a big moneymaker for the church.

[_Rollo Tomasi]

The Church was concerned, in my opinion, about people going to the Gateway Mall, distracting from what could be a spiritually and informationally (note that I did not say "intellectually") fulfilling visit to Temple Square. The CPB recognized the commercial competition and subsequent diversion of visitors and tourists from Temple Square. They acted according to what any entity would do to ensure that their agenda is met. The agenda? Helping people to learn about the Church. Making bad men good and good men better. Helping to fulfill the mission of the Church.

Then they should have just built a park -- a helluva lot cheaper and just as "inspirational."

[_beanboots]

I've been getting a little livid over this constant verbal/written puke that is catapulted everywhere about City Creek. Annoying as it is, I've remained silent about it. But not anymore.

Yes, it's expensive. Yes, it's real estate. Yes, the Church contracted with a private developer to manage the mall. Yes, they sell alcohol and immodest clothing.

Get over it.

The Church does not own the Cheesecake Factory or the immodest clothing boutiques. They own the land. They built a premier facility where a decrepit mall once stood. The Church provided, directly or indirectly, thousands of jobs during the worst recession in modern times. Self-reliance was taught and encouraged as people went to work and helped to construct the edifices that make up the mall. And now there are more jobs for those who are employed by Taubman or the mall. The Church is helping families to put food on their table and money in their pockets.

The Church was concerned, in my opinion, about people going to the Gateway Mall, distracting from what could be a spiritually and informationally (note that I did not say "intellectually") fulfilling visit to Temple Square. The CPB recognized the commercial competition and subsequent diversion of visitors and tourists from Temple Square. They acted according to what any entity would do to ensure that their agenda is met. The agenda? Helping people to learn about the Church. Making bad men good and good men better. Helping to fulfill the mission of the Church.

The mall will pay for itself. The Church has enough cash flow and investment returns to be self-reliant, as we all know. But why, oh why do people think that it is the Church's duty to give everyone a handout?

There isn't a Bishop that I know that would turn anyone away for food or cash assistance so long as they are helping themselves to be self-reliant. If people come from other parts of the world to Temple Square seeking assistance, they are immediately brought to Welfare Square so that they can get to work and get the resources that they need to succeed.

Every entity has to make wise financial decisions to ensure steady growth. Every entity must further ensure that they have the ability to weather any financial storm that may blow in from any direction at any time. The Church made a very wise decision - spark economic growth in Temple Square by protecting the environment around it as well as providing employment and trade opportunities in the epicenter of downtown Salt Lake.

Why is it important? Because first off, and this should go without saying, the Church has a divine mandate. It doesn't matter if you are a TBM, an exmo, a post-mo, or whatever - I am pretty sure that everyone can agree that the Church has, or at least believes itself to have, a divine mandate to build up the Kingdom of God on the earth. That requires spiritual and temporal growth. The Church did not build the mall at the spiritual or temporal expense of the people. They only enhanced the spiritual and temporal experience and lives of its people - active and inactive members, Jews, and Gentiles alike.

We pay tithing and give fast offerings to help the poor. Wards and stakes are primarily responsible for the local, immediate financial and temporal affairs of its people when they cannot provide for themselves. There isn't a member of this Church that would disagree with the utmost sincerity that (most) priesthood leaders approach these types of situations. They are sincere in their desire to help and they do so by divine guidance.

Now about why the Church isn't solving world hunger with the $5 billion. Seriously - get over it.

If you teach a man to fish... really, you know the phrase. The heightened sense of entitlement that is in the world today screams of envy and jealousy. It must be acknowledged that the Church does as much as it can when it can to feed the hungry and serve the poor. If the Church simply gave money to nations or organizations, they don't know where that money is going to go. Remember the 9/11 fund, where they couldn't track some (or most) of it down because of corruption? Think about it. Why would you give hundreds of millions in aid to corrupt, barely functioning governments?

So here ends my rant. The Church provides when it must provide. It must provide temporally and spiritually because God said so. The mall was built to beautify the area around Temple Square and provide employment and resources to the people of Salt Lake during one of the biggest recessions in history. We feed the hungry. We clothe the naked. We have wards and stakes, bishops and stake presidents, that care for the needy. We don't leave them out in the cold.

The Church hires investment analysts, accountants, auditors, and other professionals for a reason. If this was not a wise move that would not assist in accomplishing the mission of the Church, it would not have been done. But it was. So get over it.

And get back to being humble and being the keeper of your brothers and sisters.

Yah, you STARVING CHILDREN, Get over IT!!!!

The trolls have been dispatched, apparently.

[_Bob Loblaw]

Then they should have just built a park -- a helluva lot cheaper and just as "inspirational."

Yeah, but homeless people hang around in parks. Can't have that.

[_beanboots]

Then they should have just built a park -- a helluva lot cheaper and just as "inspirational."

Yeah, but homeless people hang around in parks. Can't have that.

The homeless can choose not to be homeless. No one just becomes "homeless." People have family and friends and priesthood leaders. If they exhaust their resources because they're alcoholics/addicts, then that's their fault.

[_Fence Sitter]

But why, oh why do people think that it is the Church's duty to give everyone a handout?

I agree, it's not like we are some religious organization who might want to lead the way in charitable donations and feeding the hungry. Screw the poor, they are always around. Let's build a mall for rich people and see if we can attract more of them to downtown. Maybe the poor will feel uncomfortable enough with the upscale neighborhood and go somewhere else. For God's sake we have a temple here, we don't want homeless bums hanging around!!!

[_Fence Sitter]

The homeless can choose not to be homeless. No one just becomes "homeless." People have family and friends and priesthood leaders. If they exhaust their resources because they're alcoholics/addicts, then that's their fault.

/boogle