City Creek - Get over IT

[_Bob Loblaw]

The homeless can choose not to be homeless. No one just becomes "homeless." People have family and friends and priesthood leaders. If they exhaust their resources because they're alcoholics/addicts, then that's their fault.

At least 25% of the homeless are mentally ill. A lot more are not alcoholics or addicts but have indeed exhausted their resources. People do "just become homeless."

I think I may have just been trolled. Sigh.

[_Fence Sitter]

At least 25% of the homeless are mentally ill. A lot more are not alcoholics or addicts but have indeed exhausted their resources. People do "just become homeless."

I think I may have just been trolled. Sigh.

Join the club.

[_Bob Loblaw]

I agree, it's not like we are some religious organization who might want to lead the way in charitable donations and feeding the hungry. Screw the poor, they are always around. Let's build a mall for rich people and see if we can attract more of them to downtown. Maybe the poor will feel uncomfortable enough with the upscale neighborhood and go somewhere else. For God's sake we have a temple here, we don't want homeless bums hanging around!!!

It's a good thing that the church isn't under any commandment to feed the hungry and clothe the naked. It's their fault they're poor.

[_beanboots]

But why, oh why do people think that it is the Church's duty to give everyone a handout?

I agree, it's not like we are some religious organization who might want to lead the way in charitable donations and feeding the hungry. Screw the poor, they are always around. Let's build a mall for rich people and see if we can attract more of them to downtown. Maybe the poor will feel uncomfortable enough with the upscale neighborhood and go somewhere else. For God's sake we have a temple here, we don't want homeless bums hanging around!!!

You're disregarding the fact that the Church takes care of more than just their own people. And to a huge extent and at a great expense.

If someone can record a Bishop or Stake President telling a homeless or poor person to "get thee hence," I'd be willing to reassess the validity of my initial post.

[_beanboots]

At least 25% of the homeless are mentally ill. A lot more are not alcoholics or addicts but have indeed exhausted their resources. People do "just become homeless."

I think I may have just been trolled. Sigh.

Join the club.

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Before City Creek opened, the homelessness rate plummeted. People were getting employed. None of the contractors were asked about their religion. None were asked to convert.

Why should the Church endorse a communistic economical free-fall as opposed to an egalitarian system that the Church currently employs? The mandate is to serve others. We teach men how to fish. We give men second chances.

What don't we, as a people, do to help those around us?

[_Molok]

The homeless can choose not to be homeless. No one just becomes "homeless." People have family and friends and priesthood leaders. If they exhaust their resources because they're alcoholics/addicts, then that's their fault.

The compassion of Christ, ladies and gentlemen.

[_Bob Loblaw]

You're disregarding the fact that the Church takes care of more than just their own people. And to a huge extent and at a great expense.

I'd certainly dispute that.

If someone can record a Bishop or Stake President telling a homeless or poor person to "get thee hence," I'd be willing to reassess the validity of my initial post.

It happened to my uncle. He was badly wounded in battle, and when he was eventually discharged from the army, he was in a strange city, and being an orphan, he had no family. He tried to find work, but no one is going to hire a man on crutches, but after 3 days without food he turned in desperation to the local bishop, who said he needed to pull himself up by his bootstraps and that the church would be doing him a disfavor if they helped him.

My parents' bishop instructed the ward council not to help my parents at a very difficult time (both financially and medically) because my father wasn't' a full tithe payer.

[_beanboots]

The homeless can choose not to be homeless. No one just becomes "homeless." People have family and friends and priesthood leaders. If they exhaust their resources because they're alcoholics/addicts, then that's their fault.

The compassion of Christ, ladies and gentlemen.

Again. I want proof that anyone in Salt Lake has ever been turned away from Welfare Square.

[_beanboots]

You're disregarding the fact that the Church takes care of more than just their own people. And to a huge extent and at a great expense.

I'd certainly dispute that.

If someone can record a Bishop or Stake President telling a homeless or poor person to "get thee hence," I'd be willing to reassess the validity of my initial post.

It happened to my uncle. He was badly wounded in battle, and when he was eventually discharged from the army, he was in a strange city, and being an orphan, he had no family. He tried to find work, but no one is going to hire a man on crutches, but after 3 days without food he turned in desperation to the local bishop, who said he needed to pull himself up by his bootstraps and that the church would be doing him a disfavor if they helped him.

My parents' bishop instructed the ward council not to help my parents at a very difficult time (both financially and medically) because my father wasn't' a full tithe payer.

I apologize to the extent that I can for that situation. Does he still need help? I'd be happy to send a care package or help with a utility bill.

[_Bob Loblaw]

Again. I want proof that anyone in Salt Lake has ever been turned away from Welfare Square.

Never been to Welfare Square, but I've seen people turned away from the bishop's storehouse.