DCP's post offensive to Christians

[Guest]

Ordinarily I would not be interested in the garden-variety anti-Catholicism that has long plagued LDS rhetoric, but in response to DCP's latest anti-Catholic offering, someone calling himself "Trailer Trash" just handed him his tuckus on a plate.

It is worth checking out: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeterson/2013/06/what-has-athens-to-do-with-jerusalem.html

Anyone here responsible for this? Kudos, in any case.

[_Kishkumen]

Here is the relevant quote (slam):

Dan, the question Hatch raises is not whether someone is "ethically deficient" (and no one, not even Aristotle or Spinoza, actually thinks this question hinges on whether someone has read Aristotle or Spinoza). The question is whether first century Palestinian Judaism, or specifically Jesus, was somehow magically uninfluenced by Greek culture, even Greek philosophical culture. The later half of 20th century scholarship on this period has been to show that this earlier presupposition is entirely without warrant. The similarities between Jesus and the Cynics was actually an idea already showing up in 19th century historical Jesus scholarship, but the whole foundation of a clear line between "Syrian peasants" and "Greek philosophers" has essentially been abandoned. And Tertullian the Stoic is Exhibit A.

"Are you perhaps trying to dismiss Professor Hatch as an anti-Catholic? (He didn't even mention Catholicism.)"

Perhaps you can be forgiven for not reading past page 1 of the book you quote when he refers to the Trinity as the "theory of the Catholic Church," on page 2, or the many other references to Catholicism, or the fact that the whole text takes part in a familiar anti-Catholic narrative of British, German, and American scholars of early Christianity in this period. But what do you think he means by "the Christianity of the fourth century" in the quote you do provide?

And why exactly is the former president of the Society for Mormon Philosophy and Theology reproducing and endorsing this kind of stuff?

[_MsJack]

Jesus said, Whom do men say that I am?

And his disciples answered and said, Some say you are John the Baptist returned from the dead; others say Elias, or other of the old prophets.

Jesus asked: "But whom do you say that I am?"

Peter answered, "Thou art the brother of Satan, and the son of the Father and his goddess wife or one of his goddess wives, we know not, who in turn is the son of his Father, who is the son of his Father, on into eternity unto an endless line of gods and their goddess wives, and thou art also the son of Mary, who didst conceive thee through carnal intercourse with the Father, being both his daughter and his wife, and thou and thy Father art white and delightsome, not bearing a skin of blackness like unto the cursed lineage of Cain and Ham, and thou art also a polygamist, as attested to in this excellent painting by Del Parson."

And Jesus answering, said, "Huh?"

[_just me]

ha!

[_Bob Loblaw]

Jesus said, Whom do men say that I am?

And his disciples answered and said, Some say you are John the Baptist returned from the dead; others say Elias, or other of the old prophets.

Jesus asked: "But whom do you say that I am?"

Peter answered, "Thou art the brother of Satan, and the son of the Father and his goddess wife or one of his goddess wives, we know not, who in turn is the son of his Father, who is the son of his Father, on into eternity unto an endless line of gods and their goddess wives, and thou art also the son of Mary, who didst conceive thee through carnal intercourse with the Father, being both his daughter and his wife, and thou and thy Father art white and delightsome, not bearing a skin of blackness like unto the cursed lineage of Cain and Ham, and thou art also a polygamist, as attested to in this excellent painting by Del Parson."

And Jesus answering, said, "Huh?"

Bravo. :)

[_Blixa]

Jesus said, Whom do men say that I am?

And his disciples answered and said, Some say you are John the Baptist returned from the dead; others say Elias, or other of the old prophets.

Jesus asked: "But whom do you say that I am?"

Peter answered, "Thou art the brother of Satan, and the son of the Father and his goddess wife or one of his goddess wives, we know not, who in turn is the son of his Father, who is the son of his Father, on into eternity unto an endless line of gods and their goddess wives, and thou art also the son of Mary, who didst conceive thee through carnal intercourse with the Father, being both his daughter and his wife, and thou and thy Father art white and delightsome, not bearing a skin of blackness like unto the cursed lineage of Cain and Ham, and thou art also a polygamist, as attested to in this excellent painting by Del Parson."

And Jesus answering, said, "Huh?"

Bravo. :)

+ 10^{10^{10^{100}}}

[_Kishkumen]

Jesus said, Whom do men say that I am?

And his disciples answered and said, Some say you are John the Baptist returned from the dead; others say Elias, or other of the old prophets.

Jesus asked: "But whom do you say that I am?"

Peter answered, "Thou art the brother of Satan, and the son of the Father and his goddess wife or one of his goddess wives, we know not, who in turn is the son of his Father, who is the son of his Father, on into eternity unto an endless line of gods and their goddess wives, and thou art also the son of Mary, who didst conceive thee through carnal intercourse with the Father, being both his daughter and his wife, and thou and thy Father art white and delightsome, not bearing a skin of blackness like unto the cursed lineage of Cain and Ham, and thou art also a polygamist, as attested to in this excellent painting by Del Parson."

And Jesus answering, said, "Huh?"

Well played!

[_Maureen]

Jesus said, Whom do men say that I am?

And his disciples answered and said, Some say you are John the Baptist returned from the dead; others say Elias, or other of the old prophets.

Jesus asked: "But whom do you say that I am?"

Peter answered, "Thou art the brother of Satan, and the son of the Father and his goddess wife or one of his goddess wives, we know not, who in turn is the son of his Father, who is the son of his Father, on into eternity unto an endless line of gods and their goddess wives, and thou art also the son of Mary, who didst conceive thee through carnal intercourse with the Father, being both his daughter and his wife, and thou and thy Father art white and delightsome, not bearing a skin of blackness like unto the cursed lineage of Cain and Ham, and thou art also a polygamist, as attested to in this excellent painting by Del Parson."

And Jesus answering, said, "Huh?"

I must confess that this is funny.

M.

[_madeleine]

Ordinarily I would not be interested in the garden-variety anti-Catholicism that has long plagued LDS rhetoric, but in response to DCP's latest anti-Catholic offering, someone calling himself "Trailer Trash" just handed him his tuckus on a plate.

It is worth checking out: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeterson/2013/06/what-has-athens-to-do-with-jerusalem.html

Anyone here responsible for this? Kudos, in any case.

Whenever I've read his posts on anything remotely related to Christian history, there is an underlying anti-Christianity. But that's Mormonism, its foundation is the great apostasy. Gotta keep it propped up.

Mormons rewriting Christian history using old Protestant arguments is just too freaking funny.

[_Josh Seconal]

How offensive! You have every right to be offended! How dare someone post something against what someone else believes!?

(Oh yeah, this whole forum is devoted to that, and Kishkumen is one of its champions).

But to contribute----I don't read anything "anti-Catholic" in the blog post in question. Anti council (i.e. political convention) of Nicaea perhaps. But, as the blog poster points out Nicaea was pre-Catholic.

Also I have Mormon relatives, so I take issue with your statement about "garden-variety anti-Catholicism that has long plagued LDS rhetoric." My family members are very pro-Catholic, many of them often saying that if they weren't Mormon, they'd be Catholic. Other than in that book Mormon Doctrine, 1st ed. I have seen or read no anti-Catholic rhetoric.