LDS things that are false if cafeteria Mo's are right

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Re: LDS things that are false if cafeteria Mo's are right

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Tobin wrote:
Juggler Vain wrote:If the following is your thesis...

The LDS Church does not expect its members to believe in a literal worldwide flood and Tower of Babel. You can believe something else, or harmonize measurable reality somehow, with those LDS beliefs.

...then you need to explain how this doesn't destroy your position:

http://www.lds.org/ensign/1998/01/the-f ... l?lang=eng

Where, in official LDS publications, is this direct and unambiguous statement of LDS belief contradicted?

-JV


Last I checked, Donald W Parry wasn't God. So, my position is I could care less what he has to say.


This is the height of hysteria. Donald Parry is an Old Testament professor, not a scientist.

I was Parry's student. He doesn't believe Moses wrote the Pentateuch.

Anti's want to impose that Mormons have to believe Moses wrote the Genesis through Deuteronomy. So instead of quoting a Bible scholar like Donald Parry, they quote Gospel Essentials.

Anti's want to impose that Mormons have to believe the global flood. So instead of quoting, say Dan Fairbanks, they quote Donald Parry.

Dig out the most fundamentalist interpretation possible and pin it on Mormons. Hahahahaha.
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Nc,
What is the official position of the LDS Church on the flood?
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SteelHead wrote:Nc,
What is the official position of the LDS Church on the flood?


Flood happened. Global, local, as a metaphor for the baptism of broken creation, doesn't matter.
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nc47 wrote:
SteelHead wrote:Nc,
What is the official position of the LDS Church on the flood?


Flood happened. Global, local, as a metaphor for the baptism of broken creation, doesn't matter.


Cite anything the LDS Church has ever printed in its history that supports that assertion.
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I note that all those folks on this thread wanting to believe that Mormonism; is officially open to a local instead of global flood; and open to Adam & Eve not being the first people on the planet, have yet to post a single reference to anything published by the Church that supports them.

Ldsfaqs? Tobin? nc47?
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nc47 wrote:This is the height of hysteria. Donald Parry is an Old Testament professor, not a scientist.


What difference should that make, since the LDS Church supposedly taught you to believe in evolution?

I was Parry's student. He doesn't believe Moses wrote the Pentateuch.

Anti's want to impose that Mormons have to believe Moses wrote the Genesis through Deuteronomy. So instead of quoting a Bible scholar like Donald Parry, they quote Gospel Essentials.


So sometimes Donald Parry understands the Old Testament, and sometimes not. Just depends on what you need to assert at a given moment.

Anti's want to impose that Mormons have to believe the global flood. So instead of quoting, say Dan Fairbanks, they quote Donald Parry.

Dig out the most fundamentalist interpretation possible and pin it on Mormons. Hahahahaha.


The most fundamentalist interpretation possible is the one the LDS Church has consistently adopted.

Scientists who are LDS say things that are inconsistent with the religious teachings of the LDS Church? No crap. That's exactly the point of this thread. Looking at what LDS RELIGIOUS MATERIAL says to determine what LDS religious material says is appropriate. That is where LDS religious teachings are found. The person beliefs of a person whose views the LDS Church has not adopted are irrelevant to determining what the LDS Church teaches.

But by all means, please continue to explain that the teachings of the LDS Church are irrelevant even to its own members. You know, refuting the point by confirming it.

Did you find a story from the scriptures yet that the LDS Church does not say is actual history, or are you still looking?
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"Anti-Mormon:" "The teachings of the LDS Church have been shown by science to be false."

Self-described faithful Mormon: "I know! That's why we don't believe what the Church teaches! The Church is true, though! Whatever that means!"
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nc47:

Did Joseph Smith think that Moses wrote the Pentateuch?

Hint: http://www.lds.org/scriptures/pgp/moses?lang=eng
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Has anyone besides me notice the two points that our stalwart defenders of the faith are decidedly avoiding?

--the idea that the current leaders of the LDS Church can understand the difference between their personal beliefs/opinions and truths revealed from God
--the idea that past Mormon leaders could understand the difference between their personal beliefs/ideas and truths revealed from God
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I like how interesting the Noah story as a geographically limited flood still believes there was a literal Noah who survived a literal deluge with a literal ark and literal animals. Actual liberals think the story is a myth that contains useful symbolism about man's relationship to God. You know that trying to stave off science by dropping the most obviously falsifiable aspects of the narrative while still taking on a literal interpretation is only slightly less fundamentalist, right?
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