NO Mormons are not Christian!

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For the Love of God Mr Erotic of course I am not trying to equate the two....what i am saying it is easy for the talking donkey to toss the bigot word around inappropriately and it seems ok with some on here.

No, you're saying Mormons are anti-Christian in the same way that pedophiles are disgusting evil pigs. Most Mormons will be deeply offended by that. I think you owe them an apology.

Although i could make a snide comment about Joseph Smith but won't lol.

But by saying that you, in effect, did make a snide comment about Joseph Smith. That's not very nice, Jason...

Sometimes Mr Erotic there are things in life you have to just have faith to believe. Perhaps just read the gospels in the Bible and let the HS show you the truth.

There are plenty of Mormons who believe the HS has told them they are Christians, but you seem to have a problem with that.

Just curious what proof do you need to convince you that God exists and would that proof be enough. Even back in the day of Jesus with miracles and all...many believed and many chose not to..

Well, show me some miracles similar to those in the Old and New Testaments and I'll tell you what I think.

That is were the whole faith thing comes into play for Christians.

But not for Mormons, right? In other words, your mythology is better than everybody else's mythology, right?



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Surprise, surprise, there is no divine mandate for the Church to discuss and portray its history accurately. I've worked with the Historian's office. Their mandate is to preserve history and make it available to scholars and others, not to write about it. The clerks who work in the department are more clueless on some basic issues of history than I am, and that's not saying much.
--Robert D. Crockett

[_SteelHead]

My imaginary unprovable sky daddy an beat up your unprovable made up sky daddy, cuz his spirit told me so.

O the joys of comparative mythology.

[_The Erotic Apologist]

A true Christian has a personal relationship with God, and not a religion.

You mean to say you have a personal relationship with the genocidal, misogynistic god of the Old testament? Wow!

[_jordon3]

For the Love of God Mr Erotic of course I am not trying to equate the two....what i am saying it is easy for the talking donkey to toss the bigot word around inappropriately and it seems ok with some on here.

No, you're saying Mormons are anti-Christian in the same way that pedophiles are pedophiles. Most Mormons will be deeply offended by that. I think you owe them an apology.

No I don't owe anyone an apology...You statement makes no sense...you know perfectly well what my intention of that analogy. Just because someone disagrees with a group of peoples lifestyle and belief system that does not make them bigots. You seem to be missing the point....If you think I am sayingMormons are anti Christian in the sam way that pedophiles are pedohiles then you have missed the point I was making. Anyways end of story here. You are trying to stir up crap were there is none.

Although i could make a snide comment about Joseph Smith but won't lol.

But by saying that you, in effect, did make a snide comment about Joseph Smith. That's not very nice, Jason...

Yes I know...the truth sometimes stings and isn't very nice is it!

Sometimes Mr Erotic there are things in life you have to just have faith to believe. Perhaps just read the gospels in the Bible and let the HS show you the truth.

There are plenty of Mormons who believe the HS has told them they are Christians, but you seem to have a problem with that.

No just the burning in the chest thingy

Just curious what proof do you need to convince you that God exists and would that proof be enough. Even back in the day of Jesus with miracles and all...many believed and many chose not to..

Well, show me some miracles similar to those in the Old and New Testaments and I'll tell you what I think.

How on earth is that going to satisfy your knowing if God exists.?

That is were the whole faith thing comes into play for Christians.

But not for Mormons, right? In other words, your mythology is better than everybody else's mythology, right?

This is getting ridiculous in my opinion and off topic.


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Surprise, surprise, there is no divine mandate for the Church to discuss and portray its history accurately. I've worked with the Historian's office. Their mandate is to preserve history and make it available to scholars and others, not to write about it. The clerks who work in the department are more clueless on some basic issues of history than I am, and that's not saying much.
--Robert D. Crockett

[_Megacles]

Megacles.... What I am saying .... after reading the anthanasian creed that most everything is in the Bible.....

Except, as Maklelan pointed out, the doctrine of the trinity. That is a pretty important doctrine in traditional Christianity, is it not?

on a personal note this particular creed below is BS.

Well you have several creeds to cherry-pick your belief from, I guess.

Again not a fan of the RC church but I do believe they are Christian. Many Christians most likely have varying opinions-viewpoints on certain creeds, but certainly not in the nature of God and the doctrines pertaining to salvation.

What about the Westboro Baptist Church, Jason15? Do they espouse the type of Christian love and charity that your particular denomination does?

What the heck, the Christian God is omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent so I can imagine He loves variety lol

I think He does, too. I also believe he loves LDS Christians the same way he loves other Christians.

"Whoever wants to be saved should above all cling to the catholic faith."------------- NO NO and NO.. this creed sucks big time and is pathetic lol

The Early Christian Fathers didn't agree with you, Jason15, and they put a lot of time and effort into their writings.

Hey Megacles a Mormon friend just popped by to borrow my cell phone so he can be reached for the telephone company to hook up his land line tomorrow. I spent yesterday helping him move. He's been a Mormon all his life. You see I am not such a bad guy after all in spite of the nasty comments people have said about me on this forum.lol

LOL, what is this, Jason15? The old "I'm not racist, I've got plenty of black friends!"

Jason15, Mormons are Christian. When I was your age I thought I knew everything, too. As it turned out, I knew almost nothing (still working on that). It is inappropriate and offensive to mock other people's deeply held religious beliefs. In some cases, it might get you into serious trouble with other people.

Christianity is not about exclusion, it is about inclusion and love for our fellow human beings. Jesus accepted everyone who came to him--he did not say "well, you don't fit into this particular subset of this particular sect of this particular belief system, so I cannot accept you." I think it would be wise if you followed His example. Also, I recommend learning about other religious traditions. I think you will find there are many more similarities than differences.

[_The Erotic Apologist]

...If you think I am sayingMormons are anti Christian in the sam way that pedophiles are pedohiles then you have missed the point I was making. Anyways end of story here. You are trying to stir up crap were there is none.

Then you shouldn't have used "pedophile" when discussing the relationship between Mormons and Christians--you're the one who used that offensive word, not me. But I forgive you.

Yes I know...the truth sometimes stings and isn't very nice is it!

Jason, I grew up in the Mormon Church and probably know more about Joseph Smith than you do...but I forgive you for your arrogance and ignorance.

There are plenty of Mormons who believe the HS has told them they are Christians, but you seem to have a problem with that.

No just the burning in the chest thingy

Tha's great, you're making progress if you have no problems with the fact that the Holy Spirit tells Mormons that they are Christians. I forgive you for going against the Holy Spirit.

Well, show me some miracles similar to those in the Old and New Testaments and I'll tell you what I think.

How on earth is that going to satisfy your knowing if God exists.?

Well, if they're of the type of miracles that can only come from god, then I will have no choice to believe that they came from god. It's that simple. I forgive you for promising to show me miracles and then chickenig out at the last minute.

But not for Mormons, right? In other words, your mythology is better than everybody else's mythology, right?

This is getting ridiculous in my opinion and off topic.

But's that's what you want us to believe, right? That your mythology is better than everybody else's mythology, right? I forgive you for that, too.


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Surprise, surprise, there is no divine mandate for the Church to discuss and portray its history accurately. I've worked with the Historian's office. Their mandate is to preserve history and make it available to scholars and others, not to write about it. The clerks who work in the department are more clueless on some basic issues of history than I am, and that's not saying much.
--Robert D. Crockett

[_The Erotic Apologist]

One more quick question for Jason. In a previous post, Little Nipper said he has a personal relationship with the bloodthirsty, misogynistic, and genocidal god of the Old Testament--do you have a relationship with him, too?


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Surprise, surprise, there is no divine mandate for the Church to discuss and portray its history accurately. I've worked with the Historian's office. Their mandate is to preserve history and make it available to scholars and others, not to write about it. The clerks who work in the department are more clueless on some basic issues of history than I am, and that's not saying much.
--Robert D. Crockett

[_jordon3]

Now you are being silly in my opinion Mr Erotica.....I don't care what you believe.....that is "your" decision and choice...that is not the point of my topic here. I just have a beef when Mormons try to call themselves Christians when they deny the essentials of Christian doctrine. I am sure you can google the essentials. To beat a dead horse------- that would be like me saying I am Mormon even thou I deny most essential Mormon Doctrine. Bizzaro

As far as offensive words-- there are tons of them...get over it. I made my point about bigotry , yes "maybe" I could have use another one...but i am sure you will survive.
This conversation has got way off topic. If you have it in your head that my point was to equate Mormonism with that work...then you are sadly wrong .

[_jordon3]

One more quick question for Jason. In a previous post, Little Nipper said he has a personal relationship with the bloodthirsty, misogynistic, and genocidal god of the Old Testament--do you have a relationship with him, too?


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Surprise, surprise, there is no divine mandate for the Church to discuss and portray its history accurately. I've worked with the Historian's office. Their mandate is to preserve history and make it available to scholars and others, not to write about it. The clerks who work in the department are more clueless on some basic issues of history than I am, and that's not saying much.
--Robert D. Crockett

WOW you certainly have a completely different view of the God I see in the Old Testament.

Rather than living up to the caricature of being a vindictive, impatient, quick-tempered, and bloodthirsty deity, the image of God that I recognize from the Old Testament is just the opposite; God is portrayed as forgiving, patient, and slow to bring forth judgement. However, He is also revealed to be a holy, just, and righteous God who will bring justice about in His time. In short, the God of the Old Testament matches the God of the New Testament to a tee.

It's your choice to believe what you want to believe.

[_The Erotic Apologist]

.....I don't care what you believe.....that is "your" decision and choice...that is not the point of my topic here.

If that were true you wouldn't be here, would you Jason?

I just have a beef when Mormons try to call themselves Christians when they deny the essentials of Christian doctrin..

But we've already established that the Holy Ghost has made manifest to Mormons that they are Christians, too. Why fight against the Holy Spirit?

As far as offensive words-- there are tons of them...get over it. I made my point about bigotry , yes "maybe" I could have use another one.....

You're going to make Jesus cry, Jason.

This conversation has got way off topic. If you have it in your head that my point was to equate Mormonism with that work...then you are sadly wrong .

Like I said, you're the one who used "pedophile" in context with Mormonism, not me. And when I forgave you, you became even angrier...sigh.


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Surprise, surprise, there is no divine mandate for the Church to discuss and portray its history accurately. I've worked with the Historian's office. Their mandate is to preserve history and make it available to scholars and others, not to write about it. The clerks who work in the department are more clueless on some basic issues of history than I am, and that's not saying much.
--Robert D. Crockett