NO Mormons are not Christian!

[Guest]

Hey you called the Old Testament God bloodthirsty, misogynistic, and genocidal.

Yes, because he is genocidal--wiping out mankind with a flood constitutes genocide. The fact that you believe Yahweh was justified in committing genocide does not negate the fact that he committed genocide.

I was just giving you a different perspective...right or wrong.

Uh, no. You're not here to offer a different perspective; in point of fact you're here to whine and complain because Mormons consider themselves Christians. And then there's that whole Quakers-on-the-Moon thing. I have no idea why that bugs you so much.

If it's just all a MYTH to you then I am wasting my time, don't you think?

Well, give me some compelling proof that Yahweh exists and he will no longer be a myth. It's that simple.

If you want to know God He will meet you more than half way. If you don't, He won't.

Been there, done that, got the T-shirt. I grew up in a very religious family and am therefore intimately familiar with what faith can and cannot accomplish.

But thank you for finally conceding the fact that Mormons are Christians. It's been a pleasure doing business with you.


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Surprise, surprise, there is no divine mandate for the Church to discuss and portray its history accurately. I've worked with the Historian's office. Their mandate is to preserve history and make it available to scholars and others, not to write about it. The clerks who work in the department are more clueless on some basic issues of history than I am, and that's not saying much.
--Robert D. Crockett

[_Megacles]

Megacles.... What I am saying .... after reading the anthanasian creed that most everything is in the Bible.....

Except, as Maklelan pointed out, the doctrine of the trinity. That is a pretty important doctrine in traditional Christianity, is it not?

on a personal note this particular creed below is BS.

Well you have several creeds to cherry-pick your belief from, I guess.

Again not a fan of the RC church but I do believe they are Christian. Many Christians most likely have varying opinions-viewpoints on certain creeds, but certainly not in the nature of God and the doctrines pertaining to salvation.

What about the Westboro Baptist Church, Jason15? Do they espouse the type of Christian love and charity that your particular denomination does?

What the heck, the Christian God is omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent so I can imagine He loves variety lol

I think He does, too. I also believe he loves LDS Christians the same way he loves other Christians.

"Whoever wants to be saved should above all cling to the catholic faith."------------- NO NO and NO.. this creed sucks big time and is pathetic lol

The Early Christian Fathers didn't agree with you, Jason15, and they put a lot of time and effort into their writings.

Hey Megacles a Mormon friend just popped by to borrow my cell phone so he can be reached for the telephone company to hook up his land line tomorrow. I spent yesterday helping him move. He's been a Mormon all his life. You see I am not such a bad guy after all in spite of the nasty comments people have said about me on this forum.lol

LOL, what is this, Jason15? The old "I'm not racist, I've got plenty of black friends!"

Jason15, Mormons are Christian. When I was your age I thought I knew everything, too. As it turned out, I knew almost nothing (still working on that). It is inappropriate and offensive to mock other people's deeply held religious beliefs. In some cases, it might get you into serious trouble with other people.

Christianity is not about exclusion, it is about inclusion and love for our fellow human beings. Jesus accepted everyone who came to him--he did not say "well, you don't fit into this particular subset of this particular sect of this particular belief system, so I cannot accept you." I think it would be wise if you followed His example. Also, I recommend learning about other religious traditions. I think you will find there are many more similarities than differences.

Bumping for my friend, Jason15.

[_The Erotic Apologist]

For Jason...




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Surprise, surprise, there is no divine mandate for the Church to discuss and portray its history accurately. I've worked with the Historian's office. Their mandate is to preserve history and make it available to scholars and others, not to write about it. The clerks who work in the department are more clueless on some basic issues of history than I am, and that's not saying much.
--Robert D. Crockett

[_Gunnar]

For Jason...




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Surprise, surprise, there is no divine mandate for the Church to discuss and portray its history accurately. I've worked with the Historian's office. Their mandate is to preserve history and make it available to scholars and others, not to write about it. The clerks who work in the department are more clueless on some basic issues of history than I am, and that's not saying much.
--Robert D. Crockett

Congratulations! What an excellent way to put into perspective just how ridiculous the Noah's Flood myth really is!

[_jordon3]

Megacles your state "'Christianity is not about exclusion, it is about inclusion and love for our fellow human beings. Jesus accepted everyone who came to him--he did not say "well, you don't fit into this particular subset of this particular sect of this particular belief system, so I cannot accept you." I think it would be wise if you followed His example. Also, I recommend learning about other religious traditions. I think you will find there are many more similarities than differences.

Sorry I can't and never will believe in the Mormon jesus....he is a created being. He is a completely different entity than the Christian Jesus. I refuse to worship your created man-god jesus.... I do agree the uncreated Jesus described in the Bible is all about inclusion and love for our fellow beings.

I feel you are extremely patronizing with your last statements. I am going to repost a past posting and would be interested in your response.

[_jordon3]

Megacles, it be great to get your response.

Can I deny basic Mormon doctrine and be a Mormon. For example, I deny the following Mormon doctrines.

I deny that there are many many gods (Mormon Doctrine, by Bruce McConkie, p. 163).
I deny that the trinity is three separate gods (Teachings of Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 370).
I deny that god is a man from another planet (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p. 3).
I deny that there is a goddess mother (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 443).
I deny that god is married to his goddess wife (Mormon Doctrine, p. 516.).
I deny that god and his goddess wife have bodies of flesh and bones (Doctrine and Covenants, 130:22; Joseph Smith, Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p. 3.)
I deny that we were all born in the pre-existence (Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, p. 218; Articles of Faith, p. 174).
I deny that Satan is my spirit brother (Mormon Doctrine, p. 163).
I deny that I need a temple (Articles of Faith, p. 138).
I deny that I have the potential of becoming a god (Articles of Faith, p. 424).
I deny that the Book of Mormon is more correct than the Bible (History of the Church, vol. 4, p. 461).
I deny that good works are necessary for salvation (Articles of Faith, p. 81, 92).
I deny that my own blood must atone for any of my sins (Journal of Discourses, vol. 3, p. 247; see also, vol. 4, p. 53-54, 219-220).

THEREFORE, since the Mormons deny basic Christian doctrines and call themselves Christian, is it okay for me to deny basic Mormon doctrines and call myself a Mormon?

What I am essentially saying, how could I call myself a Mormon if I don't believe their doctrines......or put it another way, how could I think I was a Mormon when I don't believe much of what Mormon doctrine teaches?

[_maklelan]

Sorry I can't and never will believe in the Mormon jesus....he is a created being.

And yet I showed that he is a created being according to the Bible as well. Your stuttering attempts to confront that claim were abandoned rather quickly and now you just ignore it. You can't go back to lean on that ideology when you've completely failed to defend it.

[_The Erotic Apologist]

Sorry I can't and never will believe in the Mormon jesus....he is a created being. He is a completely different entity than the Christian Jesus. I refuse to worship your created man-god jesus.... I do agree the uncreated Jesus described in the Bible is all about inclusion and love for our fellow beings.

Dude, nobody's asking you to accept Mormon beliefs. And in any case, the Trinitarian Jesus (worshiped by you) is radically different from the Biblical Jesus. If you want to call yourself a Christian, then maybe you should consider repudiating the Trinity. Mote...beam...eye...get it?



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Surprise, surprise, there is no divine mandate for the Church to discuss and portray its history accurately. I've worked with the Historian's office. Their mandate is to preserve history and make it available to scholars and others, not to write about it. The clerks who work in the department are more clueless on some basic issues of history than I am, and that's not saying much.
--Robert D. Crockett

[_jordon3]

Maklelan....I guess this site doesn't have a private inbox does it?

[_maklelan]

Maklelan....I guess this site doesn't have a private inbox does it?

No, it has PM capabilities.