NO Mormons are not Christian!

[_jordon3]

Mr Erotic, I recognize a completely different God that you do obviously. One that is EXTREMELY PATIENT AND HAD INCREDIBLE MERCY, BUT THAT IS JUST

In other words, murdering innocent babies is ok if their parents deserved it.

Wow you are making all sorts of assumptions. No one ever said it was "OK"....it's a consequence.....not unlike war in counties today. From my understanding the people of the day were given ample opportunity to avoid such but chose not to..... This will just end up be a circle argument ...so will be pointless in the end.

Since YOU brought up the Flood as an example. I see it much differently than you.

The Genesis Flood

In Genesis 6, God’s judgement upon the world at large is found in these words: “The Lord said, “I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky; for I am sorry that I have made them”" (Gen. 6:7). While the universal flood certainly seems extreme on the surface, there are a number of factors that should be kept in mind.

First, the Bible makes it clear that VIOLENCE AND EVIL had grown to be EXTREMELY PERVASIVE so that it literally touched everything and everyone that existed at that time.

So all living men, women, and children were violent and evil? You honestly think that's what the text says?

Genesis 6:5 states: “Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart WAS ONLY EVIL CONTINUALLY.” This erases the argument that God drowned ‘innocent’ people in the flood that He brought.

I warned Markk about falling into the fundie trap of overinterpreting superlatives. You honestly think all the infants on the earth at the time were evil?

Hmmm no infants in the world are evil...were did you come up with that....infants are not accountable. I think that was very clear in the text. Again we will just have a circular argument. Why do you have such a problem with consequences. Pointless

Next, during the construction of the ark, which lasted at least 100 years, Noah is described as a ‘preacher of righteousness’ (cf. 2 Pet. 2:5) to the people around him.

Around him, or throughout the inhabited earth?

You can interpret how you please

This means the people had 1
00 or so years to listen to the message of Noah and repent of the sin that was bringing the flood waters upon them. So in the end, we find God using His messenger to proclaim the truth of repentance and judgement before a fully corrupt culture that refused to be moved even after 100 years of being exposed to it. And we find God’s mercy being displayed on the one family who followed and obeyed what God had commanded.

From my view of God, I see God as extremely patient and giving mankind EVERY opportunity to turn from wicked vile behavior . The culture REFUSED to do so after all that time.....ie I will say that Man sure would have given mankind that gracious opportunity.

It all comes down to how one want to view thing doesn't it.

Yes, if they want to import their own ideologies, they will. If they want to look at it objectively, they will. Not a human being alive on this planet would ever insist that mass genocide was ok based on a close reading of the text unless their religious ideology demanded they insist just that. What an atrocious, atrocious example of what fundamentalism does to one's rationality.

My God of the Old Testament is gracious, patient and has abundant mercy.

But still drowns infants by the thousands because they deserved it.

And yes I agree the atrocious things that happened back in the day didn't have to happen....same as war times today. It really is all unnecessary in my opinion, Man has the ability to stop such atrocious behavior but chooses not to.

Man I wish this site had a private inbox. It's taking a bit to adjust as I have never done this before. A bit of a learning curve for sure. Have learned tons thou....mostly how nasty people can be. That said you have to admit my jackass comment was kinda funny. It certainly was to be taken as a joke on the back of your talking donkey comments.

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For Jason...




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Surprise, surprise, there is no divine mandate for the Church to discuss and portray its history accurately. I've worked with the Historian's office. Their mandate is to preserve history and make it available to scholars and others, not to write about it. The clerks who work in the department are more clueless on some basic issues of history than I am, and that's not saying much.
--Robert D. Crockett

Congratulations! What an excellent way to put into perspective just how ridiculous the Noah's Flood myth really is!

Not really!!!!!!!!! The Ark was not a coal burner. It had no engines. There were likely few pieces of furniture. The Ark was more like a chest in shape (likely rectangular). The animals did not all have to be fully grown. All the Ark needed to do was float. Look at the diversity of humans in the time since the Flood. Such diversity would also be observable within each species. Many animals that are considered a separate species actually belong to the same kind---- example: various dogs, cats, cattle, finches, rats, chickens, deer, frogs....
PLEASE SEE: http://www.creationtips.com/arksize.html

[_jordon3]

Maklelan....I guess this site doesn't have a private inbox does it?

No, it has PM capabilities.

Thanks just figured it out. (:

[_maklelan]

And yes I agree the atrocious things that happened back in the day didn't have to happen....

So you believe God did things he didn't have to do?

same as war times today.

The difference is humans do it because they aren't omnipotent. God is omnipotent according to your worldview.

It really is all unnecessary in my opinion, Man has the ability to stop such atrocious behavior but chooses not to.

So it is the fault of the infants that they were killed. They chose not to stop the evil.

Man I wish this site had a private inbox. It's taking a bit to adjust as I have never done this before. A bit of a learning curve for sure. Have learned tons thou....mostly how nasty people can be. That said you have to admit my jackass comment was kinda funny. It certainly was to be taken as a joke on the back of your talking donkey comments.

[_LittleNipper]

The Lord does what He does for OUR sake ---- Not His.

[_maklelan]

The Lord does what He does for OUR sake ---- Not His.

So he murders infants for their own sake? He has his religious leaders murder women and children for their own sake? Why doesn't he still do it? Certainly there are still evil infants and mothers all around the world. Why no Christians out slaughtering the wicked?

[_The Erotic Apologist]

And yes I agree the atrocious things that happened back in the day didn't have to happen....same as war times today. It really is all unnecessary in my opinion, Man has the ability to stop such atrocious behavior but chooses not to.

Yeah, but here's the difference--when Yahweh commits mass murder it's justified, but when mankind does it, it's evil. Bit of a double standard, don't you think? That's why Yahweh seems like a man-made mythical construct, among other things.

Have learned tons thou....mostly how nasty people can be.

Well, you have to understand that some people here have a low tolerance for BS--such as when a Trinitarian Christian (like you) castigates Mormons for believing in a "created Jesus". (Trinitarian Jesus = created being...get it?)


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Surprise, surprise, there is no divine mandate for the Church to discuss and portray its history accurately. I've worked with the Historian's office. Their mandate is to preserve history and make it available to scholars and others, not to write about it. The clerks who work in the department are more clueless on some basic issues of history than I am, and that's not saying much.
--Robert D. Crockett

[_The Erotic Apologist]

Not really!!!!!!!!! The Ark was not a coal burner. It had no engines. There were likely few pieces of furniture. The Ark was more like a chest in shape (likely rectangular). The animals did not all have to be fully grown. All the Ark needed to do was float. Look at the diversity of humans in the time since the Flood. Such diversity would also be observable within each species. Many animals that are considered a separate species actually belong to the same kind---- example: various dogs, cats, cattle, finches, rats, chickens, deer, frogs.... PLEASE SEE: http://www.creationtips.com/arksize.html

Too funny! Stop! You're killin' me!

[_jordon3]

And yes I agree the atrocious things that happened back in the day didn't have to happen....same as war times today. It really is all unnecessary in my opinion, Man has the ability to stop such atrocious behavior but chooses not to.

Yeah, but here's the difference--when Yahweh commits mass murder it's justified, but when mankind does it, it's evil. Bit of a double standard, don't you think? That's why Yahweh seems like a man-made mythical construct, among other things.

Have learned tons thou....mostly how nasty people can be.

Well, you have to understand that some people here have a low tolerance for BS--such as when a Trinitarian Christian (like you) castigates Mormons for believing in a "created Jesus". (Trinitarian Jesus = created being...get it?)


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Surprise, surprise, there is no divine mandate for the Church to discuss and portray its history accurately. I've worked with the Historian's office. Their mandate is to preserve history and make it available to scholars and others, not to write about it. The clerks who work in the department are more clueless on some basic issues of history than I am, and that's not saying much.
--Robert D. Crockett

Ok Mr Erotic.....we have established that God is a myth to you......it seems although I don't want to assume....that you have no believe in God.

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Ok Mr Erotic.....we have established that God is a myth to you......it seems although I don't want to assume....that you have no believe in God.

Seeing as how it's been exhaustively established that you believe in a created Jesus (the Trinity), can it not also be said that you don't believe in god?

FYI--I consider myself to be a secular Mormon and an agnostic.


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Surprise, surprise, there is no divine mandate for the Church to discuss and portray its history accurately. I've worked with the Historian's office. Their mandate is to preserve history and make it available to scholars and others, not to write about it. The clerks who work in the department are more clueless on some basic issues of history than I am, and that's not saying much.
--Robert D. Crockett