Conference: The Church Remains Firmly Against Gay Marriage

[_bcspace]

Not that it matters to any believing Mormon, but can you guess in who's talk that was expressed?

[_Runtu]

I'm not surprised by Elder Oaks's talk. If Godhood requires heterosexual, sealed unions, there is no place in LDS theology for homosexual relationships. For gay members, the choice is pretty clear: live a celibate life or leave.

You gloating over it is a little weird.

[_bcspace]

You gloating over it is a little weird.

Not in the context of people who believe they are working to effect change in the doctrine on the erroneous basis that some doctrines have somehow changed.

What's truly weird is people who don't believe not breaking off and starting their own church if they're so concerned about it.

[_ControlFreak]

You gloating over it is a little weird.

It is indeed. It wouldn't hurt him to show a little sympathy instead of grinning with glee that the church continues to discriminate.

I wonder if after the first presidency statement in 1949, people similarly gloated to their more liberal opponents about the fact that the church remains firmly against black people being treated equally? You know the one where they clarified that "it is not a matter of the declaration of a policy but of direct commandment from the Lord". Huh. Funny how they pulled a complete 180° on that one.

[_Runtu]

Not in the context of people who believe they are working to effect change in the doctrine on the erroneous basis that some doctrines have somehow changed.

What's truly weird is people who don't believe not breaking off and starting their own church if they're so concerned about it.

I don't know anyone like that. Most of my gay friends know the church isn't true, so they wouldn't bother starting their own church.

[_Shulem]

Probably within a generation the Catholic church will be sanctioning gay marriage as will most of the modern world. The vast majority of people under age 30 today consider the opposition to gay marriage to be the same as not allowing blacks to have civil rights or allowing a black man to marry a white women. So, times are changing.

The Mormon church will either make the required changes in order to get along with society or they will go down a lonely road of persecution and be known as fanatical geeks. Missionaries will not get in any doors at all. Mormon missionaries will be seen as representatives of the geek church and people will not let them in.

The church is in real trouble. And I love it! Hell yeah. Mormon Jesus is not coming back to save the church. The church will have to save itself. And good luck with that!



Burn church, burn!

Paul O

[_Yong Xi]

You gloating over it is a little weird.

It is indeed. It wouldn't hurt him to show a little sympathy instead of grinning with glee that the church continues to discriminate.

It has taken me some time to understand that a segment of the population is incapable of empathy.

When someone is possessed of black/white thinking and lacks empathy, a wicked combination it makes.

[_palerobber]

according to SLTrib, in this talk Oaks also blames the (United States') declining birth rate and increased age of first marriage on:
"political and social pressures for legal and policy changes to establish behaviors contrary to God’s decrees about sexual morality and the eternal nature and purposes of marriage and child-bearing"

does anyone who listened know if he laid out any specific "legal and policy changes" here?

otherwise, i can only assume he's refering to things like Griswold v. Connecticut and Title IX.

[_suniluni2]

Not in the context of people who believe they are working to effect change in the doctrine on the erroneous basis that some doctrines have somehow changed.

Race-mixing is ok now, that has changed. Blacks receive the priesthood; that has changed. And as I pointed out in another thread; BRM pointed out that it is a lack of faith that prevents change sooner rather than later. So have a little faith.

[_Jason Bourne]

Not that it matters to any believing Mormon, but can you guess in who's talk that was expressed?

No kidding. Who has argued differently? It is not likely the church will ever change its stance on this based on it core doctrine. That the church is better towards homosexuals is clear. Yet celibacy for a homosexual to be accepted will likely always be the position of the church. What is sad is your unrighteous pompous gloating about this. I doubt even Elder Oaks would approve of your sickening pomposity and over the top piety.