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Another GC talk down the memory hole
Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 4:03 pm
by _Equality
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/blogsfaithblog/56982696-180/conference-lds-feminist-thinkers.html.cspMoney quote:
Church editors had suggested to the apostle that "referencing ‘some feminist thinkers’ would inevitably be read by many as ‘all feminist thinkers,’ " Todd explained in a statement. "Elder Christofferson agreed and has simply clarified his intent."
I love how anonymous "church editors" have veto power over "inspired" prophetic utterances. Isn't it marvelous?
On the substance of what Christofferson said: why do Mormon leaders so often resort to the rhetorical device of "some people say [insert ridiculous statement that almost no one actually says]" in their talks? Here it's a strawman argument supposedly made by "feminist thinkers" that homemaking is exploitative.
Re: Another GC talk down the memory hole
Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 4:35 pm
by _palerobber
wow, the church bows to its feminist critics once again.
Re: Another GC talk down the memory hole
Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 4:38 pm
by _bcspace
I love how anonymous "church editors" have veto power over "inspired" prophetic utterances. Isn't it marvelous?
You've just committed the strawman that says the Lord controls the mouths of his apostles 24/7. Even BY wanted a chance to correct himself and in this case Christofferson made the call, a detail you intentionally left out in order to create a narrative that doesn't exist in reality.
Re: Another GC talk down the memory hole
Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 5:04 pm
by _Equality
bcspace wrote:I love how anonymous "church editors" have veto power over "inspired" prophetic utterances. Isn't it marvelous?
You've just committed the strawman that says the Lord controls the mouths of his apostles 24/7. Even BY wanted a chance to correct himself and in this case Christofferson made the call, a detail you intentionally left out in order to create a narrative that doesn't exist in reality.
Why are church editors suggesting "corrections" to an apostle?
Re: Another GC talk down the memory hole
Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 5:37 pm
by _DarkHelmet
Equality wrote:Why are church editors suggesting "corrections" to an apostle?
Yeah, that's the issue. We all know these are just guys stating their opinions, but I'm surprised the church would admit the editors suggest changes to the apostle's talk and the apostle changes it. If you're going to pretend to be inspired leaders, the story needs to be that Christofferson was inspired to correct his inspired talk. The Lord prompted him to change it, not some editor.
Re: Another GC talk down the memory hole
Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 5:58 pm
by _suniluni2
DarkHelmet wrote:Equality wrote:Why are church editors suggesting "corrections" to an apostle?
Yeah, that's the issue. We all know these are just guys stating their opinions, but I'm surprised the church would admit the editors suggest changes to the apostle's talk and the apostle changes it. If you're going to pretend to be inspired leaders, the story needs to be that Christofferson was inspired to correct his inspired talk. The Lord prompted him to change it, not some editor.
Plus the article says the editors make changes to clarify the speaker's intent. That's bs; how do they know what his intent was? And it's clear his intent was as he originally stated, but that it had to be white washed to be politically correct and not seen as an attack on feminists. I'm not sure why that's necessary and the church is openly hostile to feminists as bkp has publically stated.
Re: Another GC talk down the memory hole
Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 6:03 pm
by _consiglieri
bcspace wrote:
You've just committed the strawman that says the Lord controls the mouths of his apostles 24/7. Even BY wanted a chance to correct himself and in this case Christofferson made the call, a detail you intentionally left out in order to create a narrative that doesn't exist in reality.
Christofferson agreed with the suggestion of an anonymous church editor to change his talk; a change that any reasonable, though uninspired, person would have realized should not have been there in the first place.
The Church has just tipped its hand that there is a shadow bureaucracy above the apostles that runs things.
In this regard, David O. MacKay was prophetic when predicting this would be the ultimate destiny of the Priesthood Correlation Committee.
All the Best!
--Consiglieri
Re: Another GC talk down the memory hole
Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 7:19 pm
by _bcspace
You've just committed the strawman that says the Lord controls the mouths of his apostles 24/7. Even BY wanted a chance to correct himself and in this case Christofferson made the call, a detail you intentionally left out in order to create a narrative that doesn't exist in reality.
Why are church editors suggesting "corrections" to an apostle?
Considering what I just said, why would that be a problem?
Re: Another GC talk down the memory hole
Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 7:30 pm
by _Bazooka
Elder Robert D. Hales. General Conference, October 2013
These conferences are always under the direction of the Lord, guided by His Spirit.3 We are not assigned specific topics. Over weeks and months, often through sleepless nights, we wait upon the Lord. Through fasting, praying, studying, and pondering, we learn the message that He wants us to give.
http://www.lds.org/general-conference/2 ... y?lang=eng
Re: Another GC talk down the memory hole
Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 7:36 pm
by _Chap
Bazooka wrote:Elder Robert D. Hales. General Conference, October 2013
These conferences are always under the direction of the Lord, guided by His Spirit.3 We are not assigned specific topics. Over weeks and months, often through sleepless nights, we wait upon the Lord. Through fasting, praying, studying, and pondering, we learn the message that He wants us to give.
http://www.lds.org/general-conference/2 ... y?lang=eng
Look, when the Lord speaks to these guys and tells them what he wants them to say, he is only speaking as a Lord. Did we ever say he was perfect?
Oh, wait ...