ON THE UPCOMING RULING: The issues as I see them

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Re: ON THE UPCOMING RULING: The issues as I see them

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hobo1512 wrote:Is this horse dead yet?

I mean come on people, seriously?



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Rather well put, I think.

This thread was supposed to be about the general issues that need to be settled, wasn't it?

If the participants in the original dust-up want to go over it again, maybe they could start a different thread, and continue their discussion there?
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Re: ON THE UPCOMING RULING: The issues as I see them

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Shades: This thread has brought up the issue of splitting threads, and brings into question (in my mind) the use/standing of the Off-Topic forum.

If I remember, the rules used to state that Off-Topic was to follow the same rules as the Terrestrial forum. I’m not seeing this note anymore? The term Off-Topic refers to non-Mormon themed correct?

So here we have Liz insisting on posting off-topic remarks to the OP, and hence a split is in question, should it be split to Off-topic, or another thread in Terrestrial, or if it hits NR-17 or R Telestial?

And in this particular case, is the Scratch/Liz historical battle of the ages a Mormon theme (or fit the board focused/management rule) to allow it in one of the three kingdoms? Per the previous split of this thread (with a lot of encouragement from Chap) I’m calling this battle Off-Topic (and will start a clean-up of this thread).

I think part of the issue here might be the lack of a Telestial level Off-Topic forum to split to if things are a bit on the nasty side. Once again, I see no need for any other rule modifications. We (moderators) just need to be more diligent in applying the existing rules. (I'm sorry I've been so slack)
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I find it rather interesting that a thread split is always called for after I defend myself.

In any case, if the thread needs to be split, please include the entire conversation between Scratch and myself in the same thread. Thank you.
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Re: ON THE UPCOMING RULING: The issues as I see them

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Hermoine wrote:
I appreciate your input, Nightingale. Hopefully, now that I have posted the thread where this all originated from, you have a clearer understanding.

Since you have the luxury of being more neutral, maybe you can point out what I am missing. How is Scratch's posting of my involvement with a spanking website related to my post or the topic at hand?


Liz please STFU already. Enough people here have already said what happened was not kosker. Go have a pity party with mormondialogue.
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Good, effective moderator action!

Just what we need round here.
Zadok:
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Re: ON THE UPCOMING RULING: The issues as I see them

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Liz, PLEASE continue on to you're hearts content here: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=31629

[rock: if you continue to off topic post this thread, I'm suggesting some time off]
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Hermoine wrote: Since you have the luxury of being more neutral, maybe you can point out what I am missing. How is Scratch's posting of my involvement with a spanking website related to my post or the topic at hand?


I'm sorry, Liz. While I may be more neutral, I am much less informed than regular readers/participants. I don't know all the background or the players that much. I don't know the variety of board names that some posters apparently use. I haven't read all the threads or relevant posts on this topic, at least not enough to be any kind of "neutral" judge. I'm not in any chats or groups so don't see it from that perspective either. I'm not well known enough either that other posters would bow to my opinion or think that an oracle has appeared in their midst to elucidate this matter. Other posters seem to know the background much more than I do or even that I could catch up on. Many have weighed in with good comments and suggestions.

What is unfortunate is that once personalities and tempers enter into an exchange people do get hurt, friendships are damaged, enmities are made, and it can be hard for anyone to be neutral. I regret seeing this. Nobody participates on a discussion board to get hurt or damaged, especially not if it reaches them in real life. I don't know how many rules would be needed to prevent it, if that's even possible. Maybe it's a case of quashing it if it occurs rather than always being able to prevent it.

Meanwhile, all of us have to be Net savvy and protect our identities to the nth degree, as well as protecting our in real life information, and our feelings when we post as well in order to hopefully enjoy the experience rather than being crushed by it. Part of all that is to avoid being naïve and too trusting. Unfortunately, in some faiths, such as Mormonism, the latter is something we may learn quite late, after a lot of hard knocks. We are taught to be "soft" when the world eats soft folks for breakfast. Better lessons to teach would be to become aware, stay alert, learn to be self-sufficient, ask questions, be independent, and identify our core principles and adhere to them throughout.

Another lesson I've learned, and am glad of it, is to choose my battles and to ask myself where I want to put my energy. As Kenny Rogers sang, "know when to fold 'em". Often, even when I think I am totally in the right over an issue, I choose to walk away in order to devote my life energy to another cause. It's hard to do when you want to fight instead but usually in retrospect it's the way to go. For me, this is especially true when it comes to cyberspace activities.

Of course, it's easy to spout advice from a faraway position. If I felt that my character was being impugned, I'd likely fight hard, even if it's not even in real life. People can laugh about why we care when it's only an internet pseudonym involved but to me, "Nightingale" feels like me. There have been times when I have made a great effort to clear up disagreements or misunderstandings that were only involving me as Nightingale. If it were me in real life, I'd fight even harder, definitely, so I understand that impulse. Still, Kenny is my go-to guy for advice on that ("know when to fold") so that I can make the best use of my time and energy.

I don't have a strong opinion on this either way, for reasons stated above, but these are just some of the thoughts that came to mind after reading your query, Liz. Sorry I couldn't be more definite. There is also the major reason too that I studiously avoid getting involved in arguments between individuals, on discussion boards or in real life. I greatly dislike discord and vigorously pursue peace. Life is definitely short. I see that every day in my work and family life . So, I can't say in this instance who should do or say what or what should have been done differently. I was just interested in making a few comments about rules covering a discussion board. I enjoy the analysis and the creation of mini societies, such as discussion boards like this.

Meanwhile, good luck Liz.
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LDSToronto wrote:You are thick as a brick.

Scratch did not post anything simply to embarrass you. Scratch posted what he posted because you had made a deal with him, similar to the deal you made with me (all of this is in the open now, based on your previous posts):

1. You asked that I (and Scratch) refrain from posting references to your writings because those references may put your custody battle in jeopardy

2. We complied.



It's interesting that you bring this up, LDST. We've actually got an admission from Liz/Her-moyne on the board that she decided to renege on her "promises." Check it out:

Yoda/Liz3564/Her-moyne wrote:
Doctor Scratch wrote:I seem to recall a certain spanking-porn enthusiast permanently swearing off participation on apologetics-related threads.


Interesting. I wonder who that would be? :rolleyes:

You're right. That enthusiast did agree to stay away from apologetic threads as a rule. However, if perspective to a situation needs to be added, she will occasionally utilize Shades' free speech board to do so.

Don't tell me that you're a little shaken simply because I might have actually spoken the truth, are you?

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I see you chose not to answer my question or respond directly to my post, Scratch. Bait and switch won't work anymore.

I ask again, how was mentioning my connection to a spanking site on topic? Why did you feel the need to drag me through the mud?

Perhaps you felt you couldn't win any other way?
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Sorry, Liz: you're going to have to rely on somebody else for your daily dose of drama. Maybe one of these days I'll get around to posting what I've collected from "GeekyNOMs," or I'll tell the story of your disastrous appearance on "Mormon Expression," but for now, you're on your own, I'm afraid. In the meantime, you should consider thanking me. No one has done more for you--no one has treated you with more overflowing kindness and generosity--than I have in the past couple of weeks. I'm sure you've been practically floating with elation.
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