MormonThink billboard is up

[_Bazooka]

All major criticism against the LDS Church has been debunked or proven speculation at best.

One of the major criticisms of the Church is that Joseph Smith didn't live polygamy the way God commanded it needed to be lived as per section 132 of the Doctrine & Covenants. Can you show me where that has been debunked?

[_Bazooka]

I know this may be a technical question...but is I-15 now an anti-mormon thoroughfare?


There is (perhaps) a dilemma now being discussed within the corridors of power in the COB.

Option 1 - ignore the sign and risk our members noticing it and checking out the website.
Option 2 - send a letter to be read out over the pulpit next Sunday warning members about it, which also serves in advertising the websites existence to the congregations.

Tough call.

[_ZelphtheGreat]

Debunked? What, history is changed to suit the current liars in charge? We already know that which is why packer and the rest are so nervous.

If you 'faith' is threatened by the full truth, what good is it?

[_thews]

It's too bad you bought into the lie of MormonThink. All major criticism against the LDS Church has been debunked or proven speculation at best.

You are right. But most people do not know this. We know that the site is designed to get people to lose their faith. And it will happen. Unfortunately. But such is life.

Like clockwork, whyme chimes in to :highfive: bcspace for another drive-by baseless accusation. Mormonthink.com is a wealth of information. If there were "lies" as you and bcspace assert, then please post them here. Just copy and paste your supposed point with a link to its source. Is that too hard? It seems to be too hard for bcspace, which is why he's again chosen to make false accusations and flee... I suspect you will follow his lead.

However, it will be a real pleasure to see that the church is true when the maker calls us all home.

Who is "us" whyme? Have you turned into a faithful tithe-paying member of the LDS church? Does God and his right-hand man Joseph Smith hold a special place for Jack Catholics who champion the Mormon side on message boards?

The look on people's faces who bought into the site will be marvelous to behold. Not to mention the organizers of such sites. Most likely they will be with me in the terrestial kingdom. We will have a nice chat there. Or maybe they will be in the terestial kingdom. I would call it a oh crap moment for them.

The only "oh crap" moment for faithful LDS will be the knowledge that their entire lives were lead placing belief in fictitious story that was "translated" by use of occult seer stones. The magical underwear, tithe paid to cult and all the meaningless temple rituals were all a waste of time. I don't think the afterlife rewards or punishes the choices of humans who were not given the facts, but to use the fear tactic that one was somehow chosen to be a member of the LDS church and decided to leave it is ludicrous. Does eternal darkness await them whyme? Is that what they should fear? This cult mentality is a powerful tool used to keep members, but those that have learned to think for themselves should discount this threat as more useless poppycock.

Why does the LDS church continue to lie to its members whyme? Why is there no artwork depicting the real translation method of head-in-hat using seer stones? Why are these seer stones called the "urim and thummim" instead of what they actually were? The LDS church has both stones, so why doesn't the average LDS faithful member know they have them? If they were straightforward, wouldn't they be on display, or at least pictures released? Why is the history of LDS racism kept from them? Why is the pagan papyrus and EAG used to "translate" the Book of Abraham kept under lock and key? These are examples of actual lies or deceptive practices whyme, which backs up my claim that the LDS church is lying to its members. What examples do you and bcspace have to back up your criticism of Mormonthink.com?

For the record whyme, if judgement day comes and Joseph Smith is sitting at the judgement table granting passage to Kolob along with God and Jesus Christ (they are separate entities in the LDS faith), will they explain the secret handshakes to those that don't know it to get past the gatekeeper? If you can't see absurdity in this scenario, then do as you're told and believe what you're told to believe while discounting the truth and historical facts that prove it's all false. By the way whyme, you have some back tithing to pay back, so I suggest you start forking it over to ensure your magic rocket ride to Kolob has a reserved seat.

[_robuchan]

I know this may be a technical question...but is I-15 now an anti-mormon thoroughfare?


There is (perhaps) a dilemma now being discussed within the corridors of power in the COB.

Option 1 - ignore the sign and risk our members noticing it and checking out the website.
Option 2 - send a letter to be read out over the pulpit next Sunday warning members about it, which also serves in advertising the websites existence to the congregations.

Tough call.

They might go with "beware of the dangers of I-15. Traveling I-15 by yourself in a darkly lit vehicle is putting too much unnecessary temptation in your life."

[_Fence Sitter]

I know this may be a technical question...but is I-15 now an anti-mormon thoroughfare?


There is (perhaps) a dilemma now being discussed within the corridors of power in the COB.

Option 1 - ignore the sign and risk our members noticing it and checking out the website.
Option 2 - send a letter to be read out over the pulpit next Sunday warning members about it, which also serves in advertising the websites existence to the congregations.

Tough call.

They might go with "beware of the dangers of I-15. Traveling I-15 by yourself in a darkly lit vehicle is putting too much unnecessary temptation in your life."

Maybe President Newsroom could issue a bulletin to caution members to only read faith promoting billboards.

[_Maksutov]

I can guarantee you it will become more proof of the persecution of the saints, a further witness to the holiness of the cause of Christ and the wickedness of the adversary.

OTOH, on State Street in SLC, at about 4300 south on the east side of State you'll find a billboard, visible when driving north on State, proclaiming that Jesus Christ is king, that every knee shall bend and tongue confess, etc. That sign has been up since at least spring. It annoys the crap out of me but it annoys me worse that a skeptical billboard can't be posted while this fascist crap is okay.

[_Mormon Think]

However, it will be a real pleasure to see that the church is true when the maker calls us all home. The look on people's faces who bought into the site will be marvelous to behold. Not to mention the organizers of such sites. Most likely they will be with me in the terrestial kingdom. We will have a nice chat there. Or maybe they will be in the terestial kingdom. I would call it a oh crap moment for them.

I'll take my chances.

Something I helped write up years ago:

What if we're wrong?

People wonder what if by some chance the Church is 100% true, and that there is some sort of fantastic explanation for all the historical problems - would God punish those that brought up its problematic history?

God gave us a brain and expects us to use it. We're expected to use every means at our disposal to seek the truth and to live our lives in a desirable way. "The Glory of God is intelligence" is something we hear at church all the time.

If the LDS Church is somehow 100% true, we're not too worried about defending our beliefs on judgment day. If we end up 'on trial' for not believing what the LDS Church has taught, the information on this website alone would justify our actions.

We would ask God to explain the following:
•Why doesn't Joseph Smith's translation of the facsimiles in the Book of Abraham and the Egyptian papyri match what Egyptologists say they mean?
•Why does the Book of Mormon mention so many things that did not exist in the Americas when the Book of Mormon took place such as horses, elephants, wheat, barley, silk, steel, etc.?
•Why were we told the Book of Mormon was translated from gold plates that were never used, when Joseph put his face in a hat and looked at a common stone he found while digging a well?
•Why did Joseph marry 11 men's wives while they were still married to their husbands?

The lists of questions would go on for several pages. If God does indeed exist, and he's the fair judge that we all believe him to be, then how could He condemn anyone for not believing a story fraught with so many problems?

Likewise if the church isn't true, then I don't think a just God would punish anyone for believing in it if they really believed it, although perhaps some people would be chided for IGNORING the red flags and continuing to believe a lie out of fear or willful ignorance. If the church isn't true then it does not have the power to 'save' you anyway.

LDS people would probably have the same response if, in the next life, they found out that Scientology was really God's one, true church. They would bring up the absurd problems with that religion and expect absolution for not believing in Scientology.

According to LDS lore, Joseph Smith himself will have some role in the final judgment of our souls. Shortly before he died, Joseph said "no man knows my history; if I hadn't lived it I wouldn't have believed it myself." Well, if even Joseph wouldn't have believed it, then how can anyone blame us for not believing it either?
http://mormonthink.com/endpage.htm#whatif

Bill

[_Mormon Think]

By the way, hits climbed again yesterday to 168,000.

Bill

[_Fence Sitter]

Bill, I have been asked over the years, by TBM's what I will say to Christ on why I rejected his Church?

My simple response is this.

"Why did you give me a brain?"