My problems with the R&P Statement

[_Kittens_and_Jesus]

Again, you and I have a different view of what the scriptures are. The scriptures are merely a generational record written by men of their experiences with God. They aren't meant to answer all your questions and contain many of the biases of the men that wrote them. They are merely meant to remind you that there is a God and that you should seek him yourself and get your answers from and experience him yourself. They were never meant to be a substitute for God.

So you're saying that God doesn't correct the generational bias of his prophets?

Why would he say anything different if I asked him personally?

If he did, then why correct me (one person) instead of correcting the prophet (mouthpiece of the lord for all people)?

*whoosh*

The sound of the point sailing right over your head.

[_Spanner]

Kevin,
If I recall correctly, the prophet on the wall was Samuel the Lamanite. Abinadi was depicted as a totally buff old dude in chains at the court of King Noah.

We used to have one of the illustrated books, and I relieved meeting boredom by reading it. but I have been wrong before.

[_15shameless]

The only sensible conclusion one can arrive at about the RP essay, and others, is that the LDS prophets and apostles are most defenitely NOT prophets and apostles. What they are really, are COWARDS and CONMEN cowering behind a contradiction of words and double speak. They won't dare put their signatures to these essays, as it would expose them to honest debate and questioning. Being the shameful and deceiving COWARDS they are, they conceal themselves in their concrete bunkers, cowering in fear, unable to give any direct answer to simple questions regarding doctrine as it effects church authority. Mormon GAs are the latter day saduccees and pharisees, the high priests and whited sepulchres of the modern age. Liars and hypocrital parasites whose day of reckoning is approaching fast.

[_Shulem]

The only sensible conclusion one can arrive at about the RP essay, and others, is that the LDS prophets and apostles are most defenitely NOT prophets and apostles. What they are really, are COWARDS and CONMEN cowering behind a contradiction of words and double speak. They won't dare put their signatures to these essays, as it would expose them to honest debate and questioning. Being the shameful and deceiving COWARDS they are, they conceal themselves in their concrete bunkers, cowering in fear, unable to give any direct answer to simple questions regarding doctrine as it effects church authority. Mormon GAs are the latter day saduccees and pharisees, the high priests and whited sepulchres of the modern age. Liars and hypocrital parasites whose day of reckoning is approaching fast.

Hell yeah, you're my kind of poster!

I agree. The First Presidency is a Chicken-Trio and the 12 apostles are their lapdogs, barking, singing, and doing tap dances for the First Presidency.

Thomas Monson is truly a bonehead, a blob of Mormon blubber who can't prophesy or perform any miracles. What a joke! And that's pretty much how prophets and apostles of the Bible are. They spout out all these high and mighty claims and in doing so they piss the people off and end up getting crucified or stoned. The prophets did it to themselves with all their BS.

But Mormon prophets are too agraid to stick their necks out and prophesy because they know their words won't be verified and they will be further exposed in front of all the sheepy Mormons who follow the cult. Baa baaa, you Mormons sheep. Follow your prophet! Open up your wallets and PAY UP!

Paul O

[_badseed]

There is a line of apologetic argument (promoted by Brant Gardner, among others, if I recall) that says that the racist passages in the Book of Mormon are accurate presentations of the fallible, racist attitudes of the culture (and Prophets) of that time and place.

So these passages can be ignored from a doctrinal standpoint, but serve as an evidence of the authenticity of the record, since we would expect such attitudes from those people.

I've though the same. When I consider this however, it's clear that the Book of Mormon and Bible are at best what men think......about God, and His views on race among other things. An even more important take away is that modern LDS prophets were only able to determine just how wrong the statements on race were after society as a whole had led them to that point. How is it then that these prophets, ancient or modern, are the oracles of God?

[_Tobin]

How is it then that these prophets, ancient or modern, are the oracles of God?

They aren't. In most cases, the role of a true prophet of God is to be called of God (i.e. have an experience with God) and relate what happened and/or what God told them or they feel God would like us to know/do. However, they remain human-beings and what they relate are their version of events as they perceived them and what they understood God said to them. When you understand that we are relying on men, who are subject to human failings, then you have a realistic understanding of who and what they are.

[_Quasimodo]

How is it then that these prophets, ancient or modern, are the oracles of God?

They aren't. In most cases, the role of a true prophet of God is to be called of God (i.e. have an experience with God) and relate what happened and/or what God told them or they feel God would like us to know/do. However, they remain human-beings and what they relate are their version of events as they perceived them and what they understood God said to them. When you understand that we are relying on men, who are subject to human failings, then you have a realistic understanding of who and what they are.

It's good that we have Tobin to explain prophets to us. It so confusing without his wisdom and understanding.