Bcspace, a question about the flood.

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Re: Bcspace, a question about the flood.

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1. You believe the flood of Noah was probably local in nature and not a global event.
2. The Rainbow (according to scripture) is a sign that God has covenanted to never doing that to humanity again.
3. There have been instances of humanity being wiped out by local floods since the time of Noah.

Therefore, if the flood of Noah was indeed local in nature, you must believe God has gone back on His promise, right?


Good question. Perhaps the tale of the promise got globalized along with the Flood.

Of course he is throwing the Bible under the bus. Mormons do this all the time. Most Christians interpret the Bible to fit their beliefs.


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Re: Bcspace, a question about the flood.

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Water Dog,

See that semi-colon and the end of verse 9? The covenant is with every living creature "that is with you." At that time, that was every other living creature on earth because god just got done killing all the other living creatures.

Can we please add to the discussion agenda discussing what "is" is?
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Re: Bcspace, a question about the flood.

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Ok WD, before we veer off into more doctrines of WD mingled with hot air, what is the official position of the LDS church in regard to the nature of the flood of Noah?

A: Global

B: Local
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Re: Bcspace, a question about the flood.

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Sigh. Genesis 7:4 -- For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

Genesis 7:23 -- And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.

I agree --it's moot. My point is, if you are going to say "let's look at what the scriptures say," you have to look at what they actually say. Not what you wish them to say. It would be more honest to say: can I place an interpretation on the scriptures that doesn't make me look like an idiot for believing there was a global flood.
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Re: Bcspace, a question about the flood.

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Sweet.....

How many variations of what constitutes doctrine do we have now between the various defenders on this board?

Hey WD,
Joseph Smith taught that the garden of Eden was in Jackson County Missouri, and that on leaving the garden Adam & Eve settled in Adam-ondi-Ahman (also in Missouri: D&C 116: 1 Spring Hill is named by the Lord Adam-ondi-Ahman, because, said he, it is the place where Adam shall come to visit his people, or the Ancient of Days shall sit, as spoken of by Daniel the prophet.). Floating on the waters of this local flood in the middle east, how did Noah and co float from Missouri to a mountain top in Turkey?
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Re: Bcspace, a question about the flood.

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Water Dog wrote:Let me guess, this is this where you show me some quote from some leader, or lesson manual, that describes the flood as a global event. Good for them, that's not an official position, but the opinion of that particular leader. Unless you can show me an official statement where the prophet and/or the whole council of the twelve knelt down and prayed for an official answer - Father, what the heck is up with the flood, please Father, it just doesn't make any sense to us, how'd you do it?, was it really global or was it just a local flood or was the whole thing just a made up story to make a point, please, we really need to know? - until that's happened and the Elders of the church come back and say, "answer received" and then issue an official declaration claiming official revelation on the matter, no such official position exists.


By your methodology of determining 'official position', the Church does;t have ANY official position on ANYTHING!
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Re: Bcspace, a question about the flood.

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Water Dog wrote:Also, why have marine fossils been found among mountains, such as the Andes, many miles above sea level?


Seriously?
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Isn't he great folks! Let's give WD a big round of applause.

Hey WD, what was the official reason the blacks were denied the priesthood?
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Re: Bcspace, a question about the flood.

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Bazooka wrote:
Water Dog wrote:Also, why have marine fossils been found among mountains, such as the Andes, many miles above sea level?


Seriously?


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Re: Bcspace, a question about the flood.

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Bazooka wrote:
Water Dog wrote:Also, why have marine fossils been found among mountains, such as the Andes, many miles above sea level?


Seriously?


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